Calanen wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:39pm:



Cal,

Some ppl, are 'colour blind'.

i.e. They see some particular colours enhanced, and other particular colours greatly subdued.

see....
Ishihara Eye Test Charts
http://kappamedical.com/ishihara_eye_test_charts.htm

The effect of this, is that a 'colour blind' person can 'perceive' the things he/she sees, differently.

A 'colour blind' person will often see different 'patterns' in his/her field of 'vision', to what a normally sighted person will see?

Does 'colour blindness' in a person, make what a 'colour blind' person sees invalid, or unreal?

No.

For example, i have heard during [was it?] the Vietnam war, it was shown that that 'colour blind' persons could see, and identify ground camouflage netting, much more easily than normally sighted ppl.





What does this have to do with having 'visions'?

Q.
If some ppl have visions, and others do not, does that, necessarily, make the perception of those persons who have 'visions' invalid, or unreal?

Our perceptions, of this reality, are everything to us.

Our perceptions guide us through this life.

Including our perceptions of what is right and wrong, or good and evil.



And you may disagree, but i believe that,

What we believe determines how we behave.

And also [perhaps], our beliefs affect what we perceive, or how we perceive our 'reality'??

Does that mean that i am 'crazy'?

Maybe it is the people who do NOT have 'visions', and out of body experiences, which are crazy?





Our behaviour is determined by our beliefs.

What about those 'visions'?

Elsewhere, i made the proposition, or question,

Quote:


at...
"All Aboard the Athiest bus"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225016818/10#10





This is a personal opinion.....

God WANTS the wicked to 'turn'.
But he isn't going to intervene in their lives, to 'turn' wicked people.
This is a place where WE choose.
God does not impose 'goodness' upon us.

And he does not 'call out' to the wicked.
There is no point.
The wicked, in their nature are determined, and are on a determined path.




In the Bible, it is suggested, that God gives up the wicked, TO THEIR OWN NATURE....

2 Chronicles 30:7
And be not ye like your fathers, and like your brethren, which trespassed against the LORD God of their fathers, who therefore gave them up to desolation, as ye see.


Psalms 81:12
So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.


Romans 1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.




Among men, who does God reach out to?

Those who seek him!

Psalms 94:12
Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

Psalms 118:18
The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Psalms 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11  Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.




And what a lot of poppycock, all of you atheists are saying!         

Fair enough.

Walk your chosen path.

Don't turn.





2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4  And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Dooley wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 4:13pm:



Interesting approach and probably would fix possible problems.

I would add that person, any person visitor, citizen or born in Australia, caught actively conspiring against our constitution, should be deported.

Once they have gone through usual legal processes and found guilty/non guilty transfer them to Christmas Is first. Let legal processes take their course - appeals etc. then treat them just like other deportees - tell them they have 24 hrs to leave or they go to jail.
If it has to be jail - I know we have plenty of areas in central australia that border salt lakes that could be used for detention and jail facilities till they find somewhere they'd rather be

Dooley - that idea gets my vote.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 8:42pm:



Snap [i.e. i agree].