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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #30 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:29pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:21pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:05pm:

Keep it coming, Yadda... You're Camden's Qurannic Society's secret weapon.

helian,

No.

It is people like yourself helian, who are ISLAM's greatest allies in the West.

People who will not confront the TRUTH about ISLAM, and its values, its violence.

I bet you fifty bucks to a pound of donkey dung, that it'll be comments from the likes of you that the Qurannic society would use as evidence of the mindless discrimination levelled against them.

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Reply #31 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:46pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:21pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:05pm:

Keep it coming, Yadda... You're Camden's Qurannic Society's secret weapon.

helian,

No.

It is people like yourself helian, who are ISLAM's greatest allies in the West.

People who will not confront the TRUTH about ISLAM, and its values, its violence.

I bet you fifty bucks to a pound of donkey dung, that it'll be comments from the likes of you that the Qurannic society would use as evidence of the mindless discrimination levelled against them.

helian,

Just another deflection, lie.

i.e.
Portray ppl like myself, as 'irrational' 'ISLAM-o-phobes'.

helian,

If you want to see someone who is irrational in their views, look into a mirror.

Why don't ppl like yourself, open your eyes, to how REAL, EMPOWERED ISLAM 'expresses' itself?.....

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

Why do you help to endorse, defend what ISLAM is, by criticising ISLAM's justified critics?

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #32 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:56pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:46pm:

helian,

Just another deflection, lie.

Oh, you wish... But frayed knot...

See that's why the Camden Council are keeping it to planning issues... So the councillors don't get branded religious fruitcakes.

There's some truth for you... about getting things done in a modern secular state.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #33 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:57pm Helian - may I have the donkey dung for my garden please ?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #34 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:59pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:57pm: Helian - may I have the donkey dung for my garden please ? Just sh!t in a bucket and spread it out at the end of the week, like normal Queenslanders...
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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 3:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:46pm:

helian,

Just another deflection, lie.

Oh, you wish... But frayed knot...

See that's why the Camden Council are keeping it to planning issues... So the councillors don't get branded religious fruitcakes.

There's some truth for you... about getting things done in a modern secular state.

"keeping it to planning issues" , read, avoiding confronting the TRUTH about ISLAM.

helian,

Here's some truth for you.

The only freedom we have, the only freedom which is secure,
.....is the freedom which we are willing to make sacrifices for.

And if the Camden councillors, or anyone else, are too fearful
, to do what is right, to support their freedoms, by supporting TRUTH, then they [and we] will fail in our endeavours.

Evil is a cancer.

It cannot live in the 'light' of TRUTH.

But if we ourselves fear that light [TRUTH], the cancer will win.

And we will die.

We, and our rights and freedoms will die, which we were not prepared to defend,
......with TRUTH.

"Something given, has no value."

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Our present rights and freedoms.

We didn't earn those rights and freedoms.

They were gifted to us, by our forefathers [who did earn them!!].

And unless we are willing to defend them, with TRUTH, we will lose them.i

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #36 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 4:01pm Freedom is defended with arms. And then it doesn't matter who is right or wrong or what is true or lies... only who wins and who loses. When come the time our leaders demand we defend our freedom with arms, then so be it.
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Reply #37 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 4:04pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 3:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:46pm:

helian,

Just another deflection, lie.

Oh, you wish... But frayed knot...

See that's why the Camden Council are keeping it to planning issues... So the councillors don't get branded religious fruitcakes.

There's some truth for you... about getting things done in a modern secular state.

"keeping it to planning issues" , read, avoiding confronting the TRUTH about ISLAM.

Read it any way your prejudices require, but the Camden Council are keeping within the law and not letting emotion betray their better judgement.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #38 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 11:20pm helian - good point. The council did turn it down on planning issues initially. I wonder if they can assess it on other issues also ? ie, disruption to other existing residents? effect on society ?
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Reply #39 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 11:56pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:29pm:

Like i said, it isn't rocket science.

And to think philosophers have pursued truth for 2500 years and still the quest continues... What a pity you weren't born in 500 BC... could've saved humanity a couple of millennia.

Truth is indefinable... wordless.

Sorry Helian, but that is Rubbish, we all know that truth is always self evident, it usually reveals itself in bars, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, about the time when strangers profess a deep love, and spiritual bond, for whoever's 'shout' it is. Wink

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #40 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 5:43am

mozzaok wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 11:56pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:29pm:

Like i said, it isn't rocket science.

And to think philosophers have pursued truth for 2500 years and still the quest continues... What a pity you weren't born in 500 BC... could've saved humanity a couple of millennia.

Truth is indefinable... wordless.

Sorry Helian, but that is Rubbish, we all know that truth is always self evident, it usually reveals itself in bars, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, about the time when strangers profess a deep love, and spiritual bond, for whoever's 'shout' it is. Wink

Ah yes! The 10th pint of the Epiphany... I know it well. Grin

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Reply #41 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 5:57am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 11:20pm:

helian - good point.
The council did turn it down on planning issues initially.

I wonder if they can assess it on other issues also ?
ie, disruption to other existing residents?
effect on society ?

It appears the Camden Council must convince the Land and Environment court that the school would not be 'in keeping with the rural character of the surrounding area'.

But whatever the councillors' strategy is, I reckon, as sure as sh!t ain't sugar, they don't want their affairs represented to the rest of the nation and the world by the likes of a Ms Katie McCollugh and Fred Nile.

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #42 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 6:44am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 4:01pm:

Freedom is defended with arms. And then it doesn't matter who is right or wrong or what is true or lies... only who wins and who loses.

[quote]When come the time our leaders demand we defend our freedom with arms, then so be it.

When the army has muslim generals, there are muslim politicians in all levels of government, muslim civil servants, muslim police - it will be too late for any defending freedoms. It will be 'run for your life' or 'do as you're told.'

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #43 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 7:18am

Calanen wrote on Apr 24^th, 2009 at 6:44am:

When the army has muslim generals, there are muslim politicians in all levels of government, muslim civil servants, muslim police - it will be too late for any defending freedoms. It will be 'run for your life' or 'do as you're told.'

Then grab your gun, your bush hat and Katie McCollugh, counsellor and get yourselves up bush while the gettin's good. Breed yourself an army of the lord. Of course in 20 years time when you and your spawn stumble barefoot and bleary eyed back into suburbia, it won't be Islamic cultural imperialism that rules our world, it'll be Chinese.

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #44 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 9:33pm

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Discrimination based on religion and discrimination based on race are essentially the same.

No they aren't Helian. They are fundamentally different. You are committing the association fallacy.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#association%20fallacy

How about you address the actual issue, instead of addressing easy ones that are only superficially similar?

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There may be more of these episodes, but sooner or later it will boil down to pure racial or religious discrimination for its own sake.

No it won't Helian, because what it boils down to is opposition to the political ideology of Islam. Your whole position is based on rejecting other people's completely rational reason for opposing Islam and substituting your own irrational reason. You are not arguing the point at all, but instead have to resort to continually making up arguments to reject. You yourself are resorting to childish taunts in the face of reasoned arguments - exactly what you accuse your opponents here of.

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See that's why the Camden Council are keeping it to planning issues... So the councillors don't get branded religious fruitcakes.

Like what you are doing to avoid the real issue? You complain about religious discrimination, yet you constantly blame people's views on their religion, without considering their reasoning.

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