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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	“Beauty will save the world” May 4^th, 2009 at 12:11pm “Beauty will save the world” Dostoyevsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t936rzOt3Zc&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQnKQC9bGoM&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Vof_gHnNs
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #1 - May 4^th, 2009 at 12:38pm Hmmm flies in the face of Helen of Troy then if it does.
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #2 - May 4^th, 2009 at 1:34pm Grendel wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 12:38pm: Hmmm flies in the face of Helen of Troy then if it does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfayX17wFlk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivASIwtHALM&feature=related
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #3 - May 4^th, 2009 at 1:57pm Who was it that said 'The ancient Greeks were more interested in beauty than they ever were about truth' ? Or at least that beauty was synonymous with truth.
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Reply #4 - May 4^th, 2009 at 5:24pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 1:57pm:

Who was it that said 'The ancient Greeks were more interested in beauty than they ever were about truth' ?

Or at least that beauty was synonymous with truth.

Keats. Ode on a Grecian Urn

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When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou sayst,
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty," -that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

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Reply #5 - May 4^th, 2009 at 6:33pm

Soren wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 5:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 1:57pm:

Who was it that said 'The ancient Greeks were more interested in beauty than they ever were about truth' ?

Or at least that beauty was synonymous with truth.

Keats. Ode on a Grecian Urn

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When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou sayst,
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty," -that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Soren this poem is very nice.

Also Socrates was not interested in fame or to be superior he was only interested in truth ( with capital T ) for truth's sake and that’s why he had to be killed.
Socrates death was typical example how democracy can fail as a political concept. After many centuries later the democracy and aesthetics was defeated again when dictatorship of stupid majority chose J.W. Bush and John Howard as leaders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcgWQZ9JVoI

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #6 - May 4^th, 2009 at 8:23pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIET8AisJF4&feature=related
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #7 - May 4^th, 2009 at 8:41pm That's a flaw in the human condition. We equate beauty with truth.... And believe or prefer to believe that beautiful people tell the truth.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #8 - May 4^th, 2009 at 9:01pm Quote: "Why am I going there now? Am I capable of that? Is that serious? It is not serious at all. It's simply a fantasy to amuse myself; a plaything! Yes, maybe it is a plaything." (c) Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment
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Reply #9 - May 5^th, 2009 at 1:38pm

tallowood wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Quote:

"Why am I going there now? Am I capable of that? Is that serious? It is not serious at all. It's simply a fantasy to amuse myself; a plaything! Yes, maybe it is a plaything."

(c) Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment

He ( Raskolnikov ) very easily, from rational point of view, could justify killing the old women. That’s why Dostoyevsky said:

“If God is dead everything is permitted”
( Brothers Karamazov)

The worst monsters are rational monsters.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #10 - May 7^th, 2009 at 9:01pm

athos wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 1:38pm:

[quote author=tallowood link=1241403108/0#8 date=1241434906
He ( Raskolnikov ) very easily, from rational point of view, could justify killing the old women. That’s why Dostoyevsky said:

“If God is dead everything is permitted”
( Brothers Karamazov)

The worst monsters are rational monsters.

Which, of course, does not mean that reason leads to monstrosity. Some people confuse reason and ratonality. They are not the same.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #11 - May 7^th, 2009 at 9:41pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 8:41pm: And believe or prefer to believe that beautiful people tell the truth. Did you make that up yourself? This not even pop psychology.
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Reply #12 - May 7^th, 2009 at 9:51pm

athos wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 1:38pm:

tallowood wrote on May 4^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

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"Why am I going there now? Am I capable of that? Is that serious? It is not serious at all. It's simply a fantasy to amuse myself; a plaything! Yes, maybe it is a plaything."

(c) Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment

He ( Raskolnikov ) very easily, from rational point of view, could justify killing the old women. That’s why Dostoyevsky said:

“If God is dead everything is permitted”
( Brothers Karamazov)

The worst monsters are rational monsters.

Raskolnikov loved horses and that is why he confessed, which mean raskolololsya in Russian. That proves that for Dostoevskiy game of words was a plaything.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #13 - May 7^th, 2009 at 10:00pm Small things cannot be beautiful - Aristotle
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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: “Beauty will save the world” Reply #14 - May 7^th, 2009 at 10:16pm Soren wrote on May 7^th, 2009 at 10:00pm: Small things cannot be beautiful - Aristotle Like the Jewish people. Sorry i mean demons/parasites.
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