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May 5^th, 2009 at 1:33pm

Is anyone here interested in joining the NewAustralia party?

This is a new environmental party formed by ex-green and ex-democrat members who don't believe the Greens or Democrats are going to increase the net environmental vote beyond 10%.

The NewAustralia web site is here: www.NewAustralia.net.

Key Policies:

A Big Green Tax Shift
Balanced Trade
More Funding for Public Transport, Health and Education
Cost Effective Defence

Membership is free.

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Reply #1 - May 5^th, 2009 at 8:23pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/05/2561307.htm

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The Greens have accused the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) and some other green groups of selling out to the Government over the emissions trading scheme.

The ACF is supporting the Government's decision to delay the scheme until 2011 and peg Australia's emissions reduction target at 5 per cent of 2000 levels by 2020, with an option for a 25 per cent cut if global agreement is reached.

Greens Senator Christine Milne cannot understand why....

Christine should become a Zionist and plan more trees instead of "cannot understand" political scheme.

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Reply #2 - May 5^th, 2009 at 8:40pm

I think the ACF has just given up on the Lib/Labs and figures they may as well go along with the supposed 25% target, even though that has so many caveats that it is unlikely to ever get up anyway.

The reality is that the ETS as proposed has only a 5% target and comes with a $10 billion hand out to the polluters. Even the 5% target can be fulfilled by buying foreign carbon permits instead of domestic savings.

I think the Greens were right to say they will vote against the ETS as it stands now. It is a dud.

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Reply #3 - May 5^th, 2009 at 9:05pm

AlanIde wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 8:40pm:

I think the ACF has just given up on the Lib/Labs and figures they may as well go along with the supposed 25% target, even though that has so many caveats that it is unlikely to ever get up anyway.

The reality is that the ETS as proposed has only a 5% target and comes with a $10 billion hand out to the polluters. Even the 5% target can be fulfilled by buying foreign carbon permits instead of domestic savings.

I think the Greens were right to say they will vote against the ETS as it stands now. It is a dud.

Where will the Greens decision get the Greens and where will it get the environmental solution? Isn't it that small step in right direction better then anger and derision?

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Reply #4 - May 6^th, 2009 at 10:22am

The current ETS is really just a $10 billion subsidy for polluters and a promise not to do anything serious about climate change for decades.

Why would anyone concerned about climate change vote for that? It is a big step in the wrong direction.

I notice in today's Age that ACF director Don Henry is being toasted by other ACF members for appearing to support the ETS and is now backpedaling: theage.com.au/environment/support-splits-green-group-20090505-atzg.html

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Reply #5 - May 6^th, 2009 at 10:32am

AlanIde wrote on May 6^th, 2009 at 10:22am:

The current ETS is really just a $10 billion subsidy for polluters and a promise not to do anything serious about climate change for decades.

Why would anyone concerned about climate change vote for that? It is a big step in the wrong direction.

I notice in today's Age that ACF director Don Henry is being toasted by other ACF members for appearing to support the ETS and is now backpedaling: theage.com.au/environment/support-splits-green-group-20090505-atzg.html

I agree AlanIde with your sentiments. The ETS in it's current form is not workable. The $10 billion could be going into renewables to be used as back up until more advanced technology comes to hand, but governments will never tread on the toes of coal companies.

I noticed the State government is getting in on the act already and imposing a 12% tax now on water, on top of the already huge increase for this commodity for their "climate change fund" - so who knows how this is going to hit us when the Federal government gets in on the act.

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Reply #6 - May 6^th, 2009 at 11:50am

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I noticed the State government is getting in on the act already and imposing a 12% tax now on water, on top of the already huge increase for this commodity for their "climate change fund" - so who knows how this is going to hit us when the Federal government gets in on the act.

Hi Mantra, re above this is where the Green Tax Shift comes in.
I don't think people would mind paying a lot more for energy & water if there was no Payroll Tax, no Vehicle Rego, no income tax on income < $25k, etc.

This is the key policy of NewAustralia - see web link below.

The Greens have been pushing a Green Tax Increase for years, but < 10% of folk will vote for that.

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: NewAustralia Party Reply #7 - May 6^th, 2009 at 12:00pm I am a Greens supporter AlanIde so I'll have a thorough look at your website a little later. It's nice to see a new green party emerge and good to see another greeny on this forum.
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AlanIde New Member Offline NewAustralia.net Posts: 18 Melbourne Gender:	Re: NewAustralia Party Reply #8 - May 7^th, 2009 at 10:14pm We liked the "Marine Parks as a Fisheries Management Tool" on this site so have just co-opted it for our site - see http://www.newaustralia.net/enviro_parks.html. Hope know one here minds
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Reply #9 - May 8^th, 2009 at 9:46pm

Welcome to the forum Alan. It's great to see another group pushing the green tax shift concept. For some reason it is a difficult one to communicate.

Also, there are a lot of Australian fishing and camping forums that would be interested in your parks policies. This is always a hot topic. The fishing forums seem to be interested in 4WD access, jet skis, fire management etc.

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Reply #10 - May 8^th, 2009 at 11:13pm

Hi.

With respect.

Has anybody within the enviro-lobby even bothered to find out how hunters think about conservation?

I have been a hunter since my pre-teen years and consider myself to be a VERY serious conservasionist.

(Well. - Okay. I ain't been hunting in a long while now due to some fairly serious disability, but it is something I want to get back to ASAP).

If there are any things relating to the mainstream "enviro-freaks" which have put me, - (and MANY thousands like me), - from voting for you, it is your hatred of firearms owners in general and of hunters in particular.

With very few exceptions, most avid hunters/shooters I know are also avid fishermen.

The above points DO have a very major bearing on votes.

Do you want them or not?

If not, why not?

If so.........what are the largely self-styled "enviro-friendly" Parties offering in return for those votes?

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Reply #11 - May 9^th, 2009 at 9:27pm

Hi Freediver & The Warragal,

I am not a hunt'n, shoot'n, fish'n kind-a-guy but as I think http://www.newaustralia.net/enviro_parks.html shows NewAustralia is not opposed of these activities.

Why don't you guys send me your ideas on expanding some of this stuff? I can run it past existing members. I am in favour of hunting non-native animals (deer, pigs, foxes, cats & dogs, etc) in a humane way. Not too keen on duck shooting though....we may disagree on this point??

I am into bushwalking & skiing and found it was ridiculous when the parks people would not let Melbourne Bushwalking Club re-build Wilkinson's Lodge after it burnt down. For this reason I go on about huts a bit on this page and even scanned in a bad photo of Wilky I had. (I am the fat guy on skis to the left in the photo:))

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Reply #12 - May 10^th, 2009 at 1:01pm

Your site is very professional Alan and you've spent a lot of time researching and setting it up obviously to make it that way.

I can't understand why people would want to kill an animal just for the pleasure of it. The problem is - can you trust hunters just to kill feral animals and is there anyone around to ensure that they're killed swiftly and humanely? Now that hunting seems to be making a big comeback - it not only causes unnecessary suffering to some animals, but puts humans in danger as well as more and more parks are opened up.

I'll accept that feral animals have to be culled humanely, but I'm surprised your party would support hunting as a sport.

I'll have a further look at your policies - they all seem great and as long as there is nothing in regard to hunting for pleasure - I'll join up while membership is still free.

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Reply #13 - May 11^th, 2009 at 10:48am

I am not that keen on hunting but I have respect for the deer hunters I have met in my travels in the bush. I guess tracking a deer for 3 days through the alps gets rid of the crazy rambo types pretty quickly.

Re humane killing the deer hunters I have met are probably as proficient as anyone with a fire arm.

NewAustralia is not a party set up to support hunting but as long as its only feral animals which need culling anyway then and is controlled then I am not inclined to support (trying to) ban it either. At the moment we have a policy of opposing duck shooting. I can't see it changing.

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Reply #14 - May 11^th, 2009 at 12:11pm

It depends what they use when they hunt deer. There are some crossbow hunters on this forum and today in the paper there were two incidents mentioned where kangaroos were found left to die - one with a bow through its head and the other one through its rump. Disgusting.

Unfortunately too many of our national parks are being opened up to hunting and it's open slather. Beware if you're a visitor taking in the sights.

Duck hunting is pointless and just another blood sport.

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