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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #15 - May 19th, 2009 at 10:44am
 
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Why do the extreme god bothering Christians hate other religion(s)
so much?



skippy,

I take it that [in your statement] you are referring to myself.

And i would state, that you are portraying an incorrect 'attribution' to me, skip.

But go your hardest.


skippy,

You are mistaken.

I am happy to allow others to choose, and to follow a religion, different from my own.




Whereas, the 'religion' of ISLAM [which i do condemn, and criticise] insists that [if i were to come under its influence] i must not worship any god except Allah, or that i must worship MY God, according to how ISLAM will allow me to do so,
....on pain of death.

The Hadith....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

bukhari 004.052.196

skippy,

Many ppl, including myself, regard ISLAM not as a religion, but as a
political
philosophy, which uses its 'religious' aspect, as a 'veil' to hide its true temporal, worldly,
political
nature.




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Islamaphobia, alive and well in this forum,



Definition,
ISLAMOPHOBIA = = an
irrational
fear of ISLAM.



Ignorant, ignorant skippy,

What is irrational about fearing a [political] philosophy [ISLAM] which endorses, and encourages, in its adherents, the hatred of, and the murder of, non-members of that [political] philosophy?

Duh.

ISLAM is a political philosophy which uses lies, deception, and violence to seek to gain temporal, worldly, political power, over those men and women not yet under its influence.

ISLAM is not a 'religion'.

ISLAM, is a fascist state, a
political
tyranny.






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I wonder why fd let a perfectly good political forum turn into a loony neo con bible bashing convention?



If a person is not permitted to say things, in a political forum [such as OzPol], which others may consider offensive, then,
.....FREEDOM OF SPEECH in that forum,
.....is what you, DO *NOT* HAVE.


skip,

Why shouldn't contentious issues be discussed on a 'good political forum'?

Are you suggesting that we should only be allowed to express views which do not offend ISLAM-o-philes, and ppl with views and perspectives such as your own skip?

That would be a very sad day, wouldn't it???




In attacking my views, this philosophy, is what skippy defends....

ISLAM's [Allah's] response to dissent, against ISLAM....

"....whenever [TRUTH speakers, critics of ISLAM] are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

koran 33.061
v. 60, 61






FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SELF REGULATING

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS THE GUARDIAN OF FREE SOCIETIES

Open societies do not fear the opinions of fools.
....they rather, EXPOSE and laugh at folly!

In any free and open debate, if a 'position' is absurd, if an 'argument' is absurd,
...then the debater is [often] condemned to all, WITH HIS OWN WORDS.

And that result [i.e. the exposure of folly] is THE VERY FUNCTION, of free and open debate.

Free and open debate *is meant* to be A CONTEST OF IDEAS!
....where every folly is revealed.

And open debate is healthy, to all general freedoms in a society.

Whereas, lies are easily concealed in closed societies,
....*because* these closed societies are places where lies, and falsehood,
....ARE NEVER EXPOSED TO SCRUTINY, OR SPOKEN TRUTH.


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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #16 - May 19th, 2009 at 10:47am
 
Skippy doesn't "get" much Yadda and all he can do in reply is what you've seen.  I wouldn't hold much faith in him ever learning anything.  Or recognising the truth when confronted by it.
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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #17 - May 19th, 2009 at 1:01pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2009 at 10:47am:
Skippy doesn't "get" much Yadda and all he can do in reply is what you've seen.  I wouldn't hold much faith in him ever learning anything.  Or recognising the truth when confronted by it.


More flames from boofy, he likes to act high and mighty but he just can't help himself.

Now to some real debate

Yadda, It doesn't so much bother me that you believe in some god, my problem is that you condemn others for doing the same.
I don't believe in any god, I think you are all crazy, and I can find just as many Christians with bent belief as I can Muslims.
You see the problem with religion and unlike you I class Islam as a religion is that every body thinks their religion is the one true religion and the rest are wrong, if there was  a god, and I'm certain there is not, I reckon he'd think people who carried on like you were more of a hindrance than a help in recruiting us non believers.



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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2009 at 3:04pm
 
Actually I was talking to Yadda.  Not you.

Oh BTW...  thanks for proving my point.

Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #19 - May 19th, 2009 at 5:07pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2009 at 3:04pm:
Actually I was talking to Yadda.  Not you.

Oh BTW...  thanks for proving my point.

Grin Grin Grin


So was I Roll Eyes but I expect that to go right over your head.


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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #20 - May 19th, 2009 at 5:18pm
 
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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #21 - May 19th, 2009 at 5:27pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2009 at 5:18pm:
yawn


You're not very truthful are you? 1 minute ago you said you would not reply to me, and here you are, if you don't have something other than trolling to add to the debate, pizz off.
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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #22 - May 20th, 2009 at 12:20am
 
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Now to some real debate

Yadda, It doesn't so much bother me that you believe in some god, my problem is that you condemn others for doing the same
[...for believing in some god]....





skip,

READ MY LIPS...., previously i, Yadda, said....

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skippy,

You are mistaken.

I am happy to allow others to choose, and to follow a religion, different from my own.




That was a direct quote, from what i wrote higher in this thread, ......here,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242606209/15#15

skip,

I'm sure you read the words, but clearly you don't understand the words?

Problems with comprehension?



'Now to some real debate.'





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I don't believe in any god, I think you are all crazy.......if there was  a god, and I'm certain there is not....




skip,

Now we'll test my own comprehension skills.

skip does not believe in any God.

And skip is certain; There is not a God.

How am i doing?






Next, skip believes that ISLAM is a religion.

Quote:
......unlike you I class Islam as a religion....



Dictionary,
religion = = the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.....a particular system of faith and worship.

skip,

Note the word, 'worship'.

Q.
skip, how do moslems 'worship' their god?

A.
Simply put, moslems are exhorted to 'worship' their god by following the example, and urgings, of ISLAM's founder, and 'prophet', Mohammed.

Here are some 'examples' from ISLAM's
own
'religious' texts....

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88; Narrated Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 795; Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413; Narrated Abdullah bin Umar: The Jews {of Medina} brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57; Narrated Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali {the fourth Caliph} and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25; Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."





skip,

Within ISLAM's 'religious' texts, it is also here [below], recorded how Mohammed sought out a fellow moslem, to perform an ISLAMIC 'religious' duty....
.....the murder of a critic of ISLAM.


In the following Hadith, is described, how Mohammed himself [the founder of ISLAM] secures the *political* assassination [....and not the only one!!] of an early critic of ISLAM.....

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who *has hurt Allah* and His Apostle?"....."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.0...

skip,

That account, was of a straight out *political* assassination, organised by Mohammed, the 'prophet' of ISLAM!

And skip, here is the question i always like to ask of moslems about that account in the Hadith....

If Allah is an all powerful god, how could a mere man, Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf, have *hurt* Allah, who is an all powerful god [as stated in the Hadith]?

That is what the Hadith says, Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf *has hurt Allah*.

Well, poor, poor, Allah.



skip,

Lets test your comprehension skills again.

Well skip, do you suppose that Allah is an all powerful god, and that ISLAM is a religion?

Or is ISLAM just a mafia gang of malcontent's, who despise the critics of ISLAM,
......AND SEEK TO MURDER THEM ?

Reminder...
ISLAM's [Allah's] response to human dissent, against ISLAM....

"....whenever [TRUTH speakers, critics of ISLAM] are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

koran 33.061
v. 60, 61





Question skip,

Instead of displaying your utter ignorance on this forum, about that political philosophy [masquerading as a religion], the one called ISLAM.....

Quote:
......unlike you I class Islam as a religion....




skip,
.....why don't you seek to educate yourself about ISLAM first,
.....before you offer an opinion on this forum about an organisation,
.....which you obviously know very little about???

Here is a good place to start.....

Islam 101
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/


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Reply #23 - May 20th, 2009 at 9:15am
 
Yadda if you are such an Islamaphobic that you deny Islam is even a religion you are a much bigger retard than I first thought.
Australia is a free country to live in, we are not some religious run state, and we would be a much better country if retards who believed in fairy tales didn't live here.
You ever thought about moving to the USA? there are plenty of retards who believe in the same s hit as you there, you'd fit in just fine.
Oh, and please don't quote any more of your fractured fairy tales to me, only major retards believe in god.
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Re: Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies
Reply #24 - May 20th, 2009 at 9:41am
 
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Yadda if you are such an Islamaphobic that you deny Islam is even a religion you are a much bigger retard than I first thought.

Australia is a free country to live in, we are not some religious run state, and we would be a much better country if retards who believed in fairy tales didn't live here.
You ever thought about moving to the USA? there are plenty of retards who believe in the same s hit as you there, you'd fit in just fine.
Oh, and please don't quote any more of your fractured fairy tales to me, only major retards believe in god.





skippy,

There is only one of us living in la-la land.

The one who won't face up to, and who won't acknowledge, the undeniable TRUTH.



This word is ACTUALLY in my dictionary,
la-la land = =
1 Los Angeles or Hollywood, especially with regard to the film and television industry.
2 a dreamworld.




Just keep on denying the TRUTH skip, for whatever reason you feel that you must.

And when you eventually leave this place, and you 'wake up', you can explain to someone who cares, why you lived your life, hating him,
....the TRUTH.






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John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.


John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #25 - May 20th, 2009 at 10:12am
 
Roll Eyes Roll EyesThere you go again with the fractured fairy tales, a hundred years ago or so I can understand people believing in gods, most people had very little education, but to be banging on about gods and quoting fractured fairy tales in 2009 is nothing short of insane. Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - May 20th, 2009 at 10:28am
 
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Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
There you go again with the fractured fairy tales, a hundred years ago or so I can understand people believing in gods, most people had very little education, but to be banging on about gods and quoting fractured fairy tales in 2009 is nothing short of insane.
Roll Eyes



We'll see.             Wink






Further up in this thread skip, you said that you were certain that there is no God.

Wow!, you haven't met a God.

And you are therefore certain, that a God does not exist!!






That is a very un-scientific approach to logical reasoning skip.

i.e.
"I don't know something,
.....Therefore, .....what i don't know, doesn't exist!!!'


Thoughts from skip, the one who [in his own mind] knows how to debate.

Duh.                Grin           Grin           Grin


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Reply #27 - May 20th, 2009 at 10:39am
 
Woo hoo, that's it see, you can write a post without all the fairy tale quotes.

i believe in facts, I've had this same argument with many god botherers. I even had a couple of those jehovah's witness at the door one day, I was a bit bored so I thought I'd play with them. Anyway my biggest shock out of the conversation was that they believed dinosaurs were fairy tales like Santa and the Easter bunny, they said the world was only 5 thousand years old and that if I believed in dinosaurs I probably believed in the Easter bunny too.
What do you believe yadda?
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Reply #28 - May 20th, 2009 at 10:57am
 
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Woo hoo, that's it see, you can write a post without all the fairy tale quotes.

i believe in facts, I've had this same argument with many god botherers. I even had a couple of those jehovah's witness at the door one day, I was a bit bored so I thought I'd play with them. Anyway my biggest shock out of the conversation was that they believed dinosaurs were fairy tales like Santa and the Easter bunny, they said the world was only 5 thousand years old and that if I believed in dinosaurs I probably believed in the Easter bunny too.
What do you believe yadda?




skippy,

I don't believe in radio waves.

People tell me that those radio waves are everywhere, all around us!

But when i step outside, i can't see em.

Therefore, they obviously don't exist.

And anyone who say's that radio waves do exist, is a retard.

That is what i believe.
/sarc off




p.s.
I also believe, that debating ppl with closed minds, is pointless.

Instead, let them follow their own path.




The fool,

Psalms 7:15
He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.



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Reply #29 - May 20th, 2009 at 11:04am
 
Ha, closed minds, your mind is closed yadda but if you get out there and ask questions you'll find many people have moved on from your fractured fairy tale existence.
So, you believe in dinosaurs or not? how old is the world in your eyes? I need to know these things before we can move forward with an education that is a little more advanced than your 18th century beliefs.
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