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skippy,

I take it that [in your statement] you are referring to myself.

And i would state, that you are portraying an incorrect 'attribution' to me, skip.

But go your hardest.


skippy,

You are mistaken.

I am happy to allow others to choose, and to follow a religion, different from my own.




Whereas, the 'religion' of ISLAM [which i do condemn, and criticise] insists that [if i were to come under its influence] i must not worship any god except Allah, or that i must worship MY God, according to how ISLAM will allow me to do so,
....on pain of death.

The Hadith....


bukhari 004.052.196

skippy,

Many ppl, including myself, regard ISLAM not as a religion, but as a

political

philosophy, which uses its 'religious' aspect, as a 'veil' to hide its true temporal, worldly,

political

nature.




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Definition,
ISLAMOPHOBIA = = an

irrational

fear of ISLAM.



Ignorant, ignorant skippy,

What is irrational about fearing a [political] philosophy [ISLAM] which endorses, and encourages, in its adherents, the hatred of, and the murder of, non-members of that [political] philosophy?

Duh.

ISLAM is a political philosophy which uses lies, deception, and violence to seek to gain temporal, worldly, political power, over those men and women not yet under its influence.

ISLAM is not a 'religion'.

ISLAM, is a fascist state, a

political

tyranny.






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If a person is not permitted to say things, in a political forum [such as OzPol], which others may consider offensive, then,
.....FREEDOM OF SPEECH in that forum,
.....is what you, DO *NOT* HAVE.


skip,

Why shouldn't contentious issues be discussed on a 'good political forum'?

Are you suggesting that we should only be allowed to express views which do not offend ISLAM-o-philes, and ppl with views and perspectives such as your own skip?

That would be a very sad day, wouldn't it???




In attacking my views, this philosophy, is what skippy defends....

ISLAM's [Allah's] response to dissent, against ISLAM....

"....whenever [TRUTH speakers, critics of ISLAM] are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

koran 33.061
v. 60, 61






FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SELF REGULATING

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS THE GUARDIAN OF FREE SOCIETIES

Open societies do not fear the opinions of fools.
....they rather, EXPOSE and laugh at folly!

In any free and open debate, if a 'position' is absurd, if an 'argument' is absurd,
...then the debater is [often] condemned to all, WITH HIS OWN WORDS.

And that result [i.e. the exposure of folly] is THE VERY FUNCTION, of free and open debate.

Free and open debate *is meant* to be A CONTEST OF IDEAS!
....where every folly is revealed.

And open debate is healthy, to all general freedoms in a society.

Whereas, lies are easily concealed in closed societies,
....*because* these closed societies are places where lies, and falsehood,
....ARE NEVER EXPOSED TO SCRUTINY, OR SPOKEN TRUTH.

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2009 at 10:47am:


More flames from boofy, he likes to act high and mighty but he just can't help himself.

Now to some real debate

Yadda, It doesn't so much bother me that you believe in some god, my problem is that you condemn others for doing the same.
I don't believe in any god, I think you are all crazy, and I can find just as many Christians with bent belief as I can Muslims.
You see the problem with religion and unlike you I class Islam as a religion is that every body thinks their religion is the one true religion and the rest are wrong, if there was  a god, and I'm certain there is not, I reckon he'd think people who carried on like you were more of a hindrance than a help in recruiting us non believers.

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2009 at 3:04pm:


So was I but I expect that to go right over your head.

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2009 at 5:18pm:


You're not very truthful are you? 1 minute ago you said you would not reply to me, and here you are, if you don't have something other than trolling to add to the debate, pizz off.

Yadda if you are such an Islamaphobic that you deny Islam is even a religion you are a much bigger retard than I first thought.
Australia is a free country to live in, we are not some religious run state, and we would be a much better country if retards who believed in fairy tales didn't live here.
You ever thought about moving to the USA? there are plenty of retards who believe in the same s hit as you there, you'd fit in just fine.
Oh, and please don't quote any more of your fractured fairy tales to me, only major retards believe in god.

There you go again with the fractured fairy tales, a hundred years ago or so I can understand people believing in gods, most people had very little education, but to be banging on about gods and quoting fractured fairy tales in 2009 is nothing short of insane.

Woo hoo, that's it see, you can write a post without all the fairy tale quotes.

i believe in facts, I've had this same argument with many god botherers. I even had a couple of those jehovah's witness at the door one day, I was a bit bored so I thought I'd play with them. Anyway my biggest shock out of the conversation was that they believed dinosaurs were fairy tales like Santa and the Easter bunny, they said the world was only 5 thousand years old and that if I believed in dinosaurs I probably believed in the Easter bunny too.
What do you believe yadda?

Ha, closed minds, your mind is closed yadda but if you get out there and ask questions you'll find many people have moved on from your fractured fairy tale existence.
So, you believe in dinosaurs or not? how old is the world in your eyes? I need to know these things before we can move forward with an education that is a little more advanced than your 18th century beliefs.