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Reply #60 - May 27^th, 2009 at 7:59am

No one said it was fake.
Well I didn't.
I merely said it could have been.

Predictably some people, like yourself, ignore more salient points like;

Even if this one is real, doesn't mean its the missing link or even that the theory of man evolving from apes or a common ancestor is correct.

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Some independent experts, awaiting an opportunity to examine the new fossil, are sceptical of the claim.

Ida was discovered in the 1980s in a fossil-rich area called Messel Pit, near Darmstadt in Germany and has been held in a private collection.

Experts are somewhat sceptical of 'missing link' claims [AFP]

The scientific team concluded that she was not simply another lemur, but a new species.

They have called her Darwinius masillae, to celebrate her place of origin and the bicentenary of the birth of Charles Darwin.

Jens Franzen, an expert on the Messel Pit, described Ida as "like the Eighth Wonder of the World", because of the extraordinary completeness of the skeleton.

It was information "palaeontologists can normally only dream of", he said.

In addition, Ida bears "a close resemblance to ourselves" he said, with nails instead of claws, a grasping hand and an opposable thumb - like humans and some other primates.

But Franzen said some aspects of the teeth indicate she is not a direct ancestor - more of an "aunt" than a "grandmother".

"She belongs to the group from which higher primates and human beings developed but my impression is she is not on the direct line."

Chris Beard, curator of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, said he was "awestruck" by the publicity surrounding the new fossil.

"I would be absolutely dumbfounded if it turns out to be a potential ancestor to humans."

But he said that Ida would be "a welcome new addition" to the world of early primates.

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skippy Ex Member	Re: The Missing Link... Reply #61 - May 27^th, 2009 at 11:52am If its an early primate its an early ancestor, 47 million years before the bible says is possible.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: The Missing Link... Reply #62 - May 27^th, 2009 at 12:18pm As I stated earlier, I find it hard to draw a comparison with human beings by looking at that fossil, but I'm not the expert. In contrast, religious loons make a pilgrimage to worship a statue with red dye running from it's eyes, or a water stain on the wall, in the vain hope that they have proof of God's existence.
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Reply #63 - May 27^th, 2009 at 12:51pm

Amadd wrote on May 27^th, 2009 at 12:18pm:

As I stated earlier, I find it hard to draw a comparison with human beings by looking at that fossil, but I'm not the expert.

In contrast, religious loons make a pilgrimage to worship a statue with red dye running from it's eyes, or a water stain on the wall, in the vain hope that they have proof of God's existence.

Not to mention the image of the virgin Mary on a piece of toast.
I had an image of Bart Simpson on mine this morning.

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Reply #64 - May 27^th, 2009 at 1:11pm

My understanding, and it has been a few years since reading a couple og biographies on Darwin is that he was a believer in God, went away from it after the death of his young daughter Annie, and came back to a faith many years later. He did not recant his theories as some church people would have us believe. He finally held no contradiction between a creator and evolution as seen in one of the most beautiful scientific paragraphs ever.

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It is interesting to contemplate a tangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent upon each other in so complex a manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. These laws, taken in the largest sense, being Growth with reproduction; Inheritance which is almost implied by reproduction; Variability from the indirect and direct action of the conditions of life, and from use and disuse; a Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life, and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence of Character and the Extinction of less improved forms. Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: The Missing Link... Reply #65 - May 27^th, 2009 at 1:19pm Quote: I had an image of Bart Simpson on mine this morning. You should get that piece of toast up on Ebay asap Skip. I once threw out a tazo of Bart chucking a brown eye and later learned that it was banned and worth money....Doh!
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Reply #66 - May 27^th, 2009 at 4:59pm

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If its an early primate its an early ancestor, 47 million years before the bible says is possible.

".....Scientists have unveiled a 47-million-year-old fossilised skeleton of a monkey..."

LOL

Duped again!

You are all, soft in the head.

Scientists / archaeologists DIDN'T dig up this fossil, and find a date tag with it, stating that,

.......
"This fossil is 47 million years old."

Duh.

Anyone who believes that this thing is 47 million years old [because 'scientists' say that it is], is soft in the head.

This 47 million years is pure supposition.

Wow!

Talk about dogmatic religionists, grasping tightly onto their beliefs
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Dictionary,
supposition = = an assumption or hypothesis.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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skippy Ex Member	Re: The Missing Link... Reply #67 - May 27^th, 2009 at 5:10pm Hey yadda, you want to buy my piece of toast with Bart Simpson on it? I think you'll find the people who are soft in the head are the ones who think the earth is only 5 thousand years old, you are sooooooooooo gullible.
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Reply #68 - May 27^th, 2009 at 5:17pm

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Hey yadda, you want to buy my piece of toast with Bart Simpson on it?

Duh!

Whad-da-ya-think??? Grin

No.

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I think you'll find the people who are soft in the head are the ones who think the earth is only 5 thousand years old, you are sooooooooooo gullible.
Roll Eyes

Well i guess, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. Cheesy

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: The Missing Link... Reply #69 - May 27^th, 2009 at 5:26pm You mean you really do think the earth is only 5,000 years old Yadda? That's stunning
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Reply #70 - May 28^th, 2009 at 9:15am

Amadd wrote on May 27^th, 2009 at 5:26pm:

You mean you really do think the earth is only 5,000 years old Yadda?

That's stunning Shocked

Yes, I thought Yadda was joking, but apparently not.

Your Bart Simpson toast relic reminds me of the Blackadder "Archbishop" episode

Edmund then got to his explaining their stock of relics, including Shrouds from Turin, wine from the marriage at Cana, splinters from the True Cross and artefacts created by Jesus as a carpenter. Bishop Percy complained that all of these were obviously fake and would not allow people to tell them apart from real relics. Archbishop Edmund stated that this was the point.

Bishop Percy revealed his own relic, a finger of Jesus, which he asserted to be genuine until Baldrick proceeded to explain to him that those were on sale in boxes of ten. Also available were the noses of Jesus, Saint Peter, and Saint Francis of Assisi, and the breasts of Joan of Arc. (Joan was not canonised by the Roman Catholic Church in real history until May 16, 1920).

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skippy Ex Member	Re: The Missing Link... Reply #71 - May 28^th, 2009 at 9:26am Its not just yadda, most christians do, the born again are the worst.
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Reply #72 - May 28^th, 2009 at 11:35am

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Your Bart Simpson toast relic reminds me of the Blackadder "Archbishop" episode

Boxes of Jesus fingers Grin

I've got so many Blackadder episodes on DVD that I haven't even seen yet. I'll have to dig that one up. Better than watching yet another rerun of two and a half men.

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Its not just yadda, most christians do, the born again are the worst.

And they womder why people get so frustrated with the religious sometimes.

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Reply #73 - May 28^th, 2009 at 12:08pm

locutius wrote on May 28^th, 2009 at 9:15am:

Amadd wrote on May 27^th, 2009 at 5:26pm:

You mean you really do think the earth is only 5,000 years old Yadda?

That's stunning Shocked

Yes, I thought Yadda was joking, but apparently not.

Your Bart Simpson toast relic reminds me of the Blackadder "Archbishop" episode

Edmund then got to his explaining their stock of relics, including Shrouds from Turin, wine from the marriage at Cana, splinters from the True Cross and artefacts created by Jesus as a carpenter. Bishop Percy complained that all of these were obviously fake and would not allow people to tell them apart from real relics. Archbishop Edmund stated that this was the point.

Bishop Percy revealed his own relic, a finger of Jesus, which he asserted to be genuine until Baldrick proceeded to explain to him that those were on sale in boxes of ten. Also available were the noses of Jesus, Saint Peter, and Saint Francis of Assisi, and the breasts of Joan of Arc. (Joan was not canonised by the Roman Catholic Church in real history until May 16, 1920).

locutius,

Thank you for that reference to Blackadder sketches. Grin

It serves my point, quite well.

Exactly
, in fact.

This "47-million-year-old fossilised skeleton of a monkey."
is a 'scientific' religious relic
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'Science' claims that the particular fossil, has an age of 47million years.

As i said above, and repeat here, this '47 million years', is pure supposition.

No one, can PROVE the age of that fossil!

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150 years ago, contemporary 'science' supposed that cholera was spread on night airs of London, on vapours.

Later it was established that the London cholera epidemics were spread through contamination of London's [ground] water supply.

About 150 years ago, 'science' insisted that the thought that doctors were the cause of the death of many post natal mothers in Europe, BECAUSE THE DOCTORS DIDN'T WASH THEIR HANDS BETWEEN EXAMINATIONS, was ridiculous.

Later the connection between the transmission of infection, and unwashed hands of [the] doctors, was proven.

PLEASE LISTEN UP...

Science only postulates its current understanding, and hypothesises [i.e. theories].

If you travelled back in time 500 years, and told a community of ppl in the UK, that a Jumbo jet weighing 400 tons, could fly through the air, you would have been burnt at the stake as a witch!

Take it as read, mankind is not the font of all knowledge and wisdom!

We [mankind] are proud, arrogant, ignorant
creatures, puffed up with our own self importance
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Amadd,

Do you think that the minds, of some ppl who live today, are any less 'closed', than the minds of ppl who lived 500 years ago?

"All Aboard the Athiest bus"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225016818/10#10

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Reply #74 - May 28^th, 2009 at 1:05pm

Yadda, you're stating so much non-sequitor argument that I wouldn't know where to begin.

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Amadd,

Do you think that the minds, of some ppl who live today, are any less 'closed', than the minds of ppl who lived 500 years ago?

I think that the information that we have today is far more vast and reliable than the information that existed 500 yrs ago. Hopefully that will continue for the next 500yrs..and so on.

There's nothing to say that every piece of accepted knowledge that we have today is entirely correct, but theories are proven over and over again through practise.
Do you think that it would've been possible to get a rocketship to the moon and back without relying on copious amounts of theory? Or do you think that they just lit a fuse and said "God will get us there and back'?

IMO, what you are displaying is mass selfishness and mass ignorance by turning your back on the hard work and impressive thinking of those around us and before us who have increased our knowledge, and thereby increasing our chances for survival.
Whatever your God tells you, my God tells me that it's OK to discard ridiculous notions like fat guys in red suits coming down the chimney and men rising from the dead.

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