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Re: The Missing Link...
Reply #90 - May 29th, 2009 at 1:16pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 12:07pm:
Well, 'science' declares it so, SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!!!


I wouldn't go that far. I have offered qualifiers for my trust in science.

Yadda wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 12:07pm:
....Do you really, really, believe that SOFT TISSUE from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS???[/size][/i]


I believe miracles and anomolies are just events waiting for knowledge to catch up with observation. Or it's a mistake. At the least I'm happy to give them time to see what they have truely found.

But don't you believe in supernatural miracles?
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Reply #91 - May 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm
 
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....Do you really, really, believe that SOFT TISSUE from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS???


I don't think they're talking about a chunk of T-Rex steak off the bone, they're talking about vessels within the bone which would also be commonly found if they were to break open more fossils.
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Reply #92 - May 29th, 2009 at 1:28pm
 
Amadd wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm:
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....Do you really, really, believe that SOFT TISSUE from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS???


I don't think they're talking about a chunk of T-Rex steak off the bone, they're talking about vessels within the bone which would also be commonly found if they were to break open more fossils.


Yes, thanks Amadd, that's what I forgot to add. That was my take on it as well. I think it was maybe innocently misrepresented?

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The paleontologist and her colleagues removed mineral fragments from the interior of the femur by soaking it in a weak acid. The fossil dissolved, exposing a flexible, stretchy material and transparent vessels.

The vessels resemble blood vessels, cells, and the protein matrix that bodies generate when bones are being formed.


There is talk about a material having structural qualities, they do not, in the article claim it to be tissue or flesh.




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Re: The Missing Link...
Reply #93 - May 29th, 2009 at 1:40pm
 
Amadd wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm:
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....Do you really, really, believe that SOFT TISSUE from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS???


I don't think they're talking about a chunk of T-Rex steak off the bone,
they're talking about vessels within the bone which would also be commonly found if they were to break open more fossils.





Amadd,

Well you believe that, if you want to.

If it gives you comfort.








locutius said,

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I believe miracles and anomolies are just events waiting for knowledge to catch up with observation.
Or it's a mistake. At the least I'm happy to give them time to see what they have truely found.

But don't you believe in supernatural miracles?




locutius,

Like you, i am willing to say that,

"I believe miracles and anomolies are just events waiting for knowledge to catch up with observation."



I hope you didn't fall off your seat!         Grin

I also believe that the more humankind has learned, in the knowledge we have gained in the last several thousands of years,
the more that knowledge should convince us, of how little we truly know at present, about our true circumstances
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #94 - May 29th, 2009 at 1:53pm
 
locutius wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 1:28pm:
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The paleontologist and her colleagues removed mineral fragments from the interior of the femur by soaking it in a weak acid. The fossil dissolved, exposing a flexible, stretchy material and transparent vessels.

The vessels resemble blood vessels, cells, and the protein matrix that bodies generate when bones are being formed.


There is talk about a material having structural qualities,
they do not, in the article claim it to be tissue or flesh.





Actually, the tissue has been gene sequenced, and that it resembles "Chicken Proteins".


Dinosaur Soft Tissue Sequenced; Similar to Chicken Proteins
12 Apr 2007 ... Dinosaur Soft Tissue Sequenced; Similar to Chicken Proteins ... extracted from the T. rex's leg bone is original dinosaur soft tissue that ...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070412-dino-tissues.html


But i wouldn't know.

Yadda, the wow-er! and the stunner




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You mean you really do think the earth is only x,000 years old Yadda?

That's stunning



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Yadda said,

"....I firmly believe in creation, and i believe in a 'Young Earth'."


at...
"Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Creation"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224743792/0#0



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #95 - May 29th, 2009 at 2:28pm
 
Yes, it seems they have had some time but there is still understandable debate on the findings considering the incredibility of it all.

When I read the first link you posted I was looking at the webpage date (28-09) not the article date all the time with a feeling a deja vu.
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Reply #96 - May 30th, 2009 at 1:04am
 
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Well you believe that, if you want to.

If it gives you comfort.


It's really neither here nor there Yadda. I consider human understanding to be a work in progress, not a finished product.
It's more about the journey than the destination, as we're all destined to the same fate. You probably disagree with me there, and I wouldn't be surprised if you need the carrot of an everlasting existence to dictate your path for you.

Therein probably lies the crux of most, if not all religions, in that they are offered to be something that can be relied upon totally, fully, and with undying trust in this unreliable world.
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Reply #97 - May 30th, 2009 at 1:07pm
 
Amadd wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 11:28am:
Shocked



WOW! I never saw Mr Spock with sunglasses before.

This thread is sooooo.... absurd.

Yadda - Do you also believe that the Earth is flat, supported by four pillars and that there is a firmament that divides the waters of Earth from the waters of Heaven, and that the stars are actually holes in the firmament that allow the light of heaven through?

Can't trust those astronauts - atheists every last one of them - even Neil Armstrong. He's just pretending to be Christian.
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Reply #98 - May 30th, 2009 at 1:35pm
 
Ahh yes. Trekkies would've picked up on that one I'm sure.
You see what you wanna see I suppose  Cool
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Reply #99 - May 30th, 2009 at 2:23pm
 
muso wrote on May 30th, 2009 at 1:07pm:
This thread is sooooo.... absurd.

Yadda - Do you also believe that the Earth is flat, supported by four pillars
and that there is a firmament that divides the waters of Earth from the waters of Heaven, and that the stars are actually holes in the firmament that allow the light of heaven through?






Duh.

muso,

Why would i believe that?


Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;.....

Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.



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muso,

According to modern science,
SOFT TISSUE
from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS.

Do you really, really, believe that SOFT TISSUE from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS???

Is it an unreasonable question?



more at....
"Multiculti - preserve cultural id amid enemies"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242606209/30#30


Google....
soft tissue t-rex
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=soft+tissue+t-rex&btnG=Google+Search&met...



Perhaps someone with 'common sense', you know, one of those 'rational' evolutionists, can explain how
SOFT TISSUE
from a T-rex has survived for 70-MILLION-YEARS?

Because as a rational person, its beyond my ken.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #100 - May 30th, 2009 at 3:55pm
 
Hey, yadda, speaking of common sense, how did Mary have Jesus if she was a virgin?
Forget the ol fairy tales, answer me with "common sense". While you're at it,  how come its not mentioned in the old testament about dinosaurs?
If what you say is correct everybody must have had a T rex in the backyard.
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Reply #101 - May 30th, 2009 at 5:07pm
 
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Hey, yadda, speaking of common sense, how did Mary have Jesus if she was a virgin?
Forget the ol fairy tales, answer me with "common sense".
While you're at it,  how come its not mentioned in the old testament about dinosaurs?

If what you say is correct everybody must have had a T rex in the backyard.





Dinosaurs are mentioned in the OT.


They are called 'dragons', 'leviathan', and 'behemoth'.

There may be even more names.

Those are the ones i know.



God talks to Job,

Job 40:15
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16  Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17  He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18  His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.



Are there any creatures alive today that have a 'tail like a cedar [i.e. a tree trunk]'?



"....his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly."


...

T-rex was clearly a meat eater, but perhaps there were other dinosaurs that, "eateth grass as an ox.", which had large 'loins' [hindquarters].iAs to 'how did Mary have Jesus if she was a virgin?'

Jesus himself declared that what is impossible with man, is possible for God.

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.




ALSO....


Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


Immanuel = = God is with us, or, God is in our presence.


God among us,

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7  If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8  Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?






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Reply #102 - May 30th, 2009 at 6:09pm
 
That's your best work yet. Smiley Cheesy Grin Shocked Roll Eyes

So how come we haven't found tools made out of "dragon bones"?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #103 - May 31st, 2009 at 9:29am
 

Genesis 1:6  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

So to summarise, God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters.


1 Samuel 2:8  He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

Job 9:6  Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

Psalms 75:3  The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it.

Ezekial 1:22  And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

Matthew 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

(Apparently, Jesus believed that the moon produces its own light, and that the stars are lights held in place by a firmament only a few k above our heads.)



Sometimes it's best to just say nothing and just let the Bible do the talking.

I rest my case.
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Reply #104 - May 31st, 2009 at 1:09pm
 
muso wrote on May 30th, 2009 at 1:07pm:
Amadd wrote on May 29th, 2009 at 11:28am:
Shocked



WOW! I never saw Mr Spock with sunglasses before.

This thread is sooooo.... absurd.

Yadda - Do you also believe that the Earth is flat, supported by four pillars and that there is a firmament that divides the waters of Earth from the waters of Heaven, and that the stars are actually holes in the firmament that allow the light of heaven through?

Can't trust those astronauts - atheists every last one of them - even Neil Armstrong. He's just pretending to be Christian.


Welcome back muso ^^..you always could make me laugh.. Grin
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