mozzaok wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 10:20pm:



It is quite possible the racists stamp could be simple overreaction and smart play of our political correctness.

But on the other hand I would love to have no criminal activity in Australia.
Here some heavy punishment, irrespective of age would be smart move.

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Has your wife given you a head massage lately Mozz? Because I think she secretly drilled some holes in your head and massaged your brain.

Your coming from a purely capitalistic viewpoint. Yes the costs should come down if there are enough universities  to compete with the exisiting facilities; I don't see this happening.
If places are limited, the cost goes up - that's just simple economics.

This is the problem when every base requirement of a society is privatised, the society itself becomes worthless and profit becomes God.
The cost for a student these days probably counts for the largest loan they will ever make next to a home loan. Most average aussies just can't afford it anymore and many women are prostituting themselves for an education.

We are now so reliant on input from overseas students that the only possible result is that it will continue to get harder for Australian students.


JENNY MACKLIN: We want Australian students to be treated better than international students. Overseas students' parents aren't here paying taxes, the students aren't going to stay in Australia and contribute to our country. They should pay full fees. Labor does not want to see Australian undergraduates paying $100,000 to go to university.
http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2004/s1197307.htm


"At Sydney University, Australian fee-paying applicants are up by 21 per cent.

But union representatives say there is a growing division between full-fee students, who are able to enter university courses using a lower university admission index rank as long as they have the funds to pay, and those who gained entry by academic ability alone."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/big-rise-in-fullfee-students/2007/01/06/1167...


The Guardian January 29, 2003
Uni students battle rising fees

by Peter Mac

Australian students face rising academic fees. This year student debt will
probably soar by almost $1 billion to $9.057 billion. The Department of
Education, Science and Training (DEST) predicts the debt will grow by $2.5
billion by 2006.....

http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1123fees.html

So what is their debt now I wonder?
They'll be slaves for the rest of their lives trying to pay for a right that our forefathers once fought for.i

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It just shows how much we are prepared to whore our nation.
Whether they've completed their schooling here or abroad, the fact is that we're not getting enough of our own through universities to cater for our own requirements.

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Yes I must be supporting Grendel because I have a long history of doing that don't I?  

This racism garbage is a real sickness in western media and politics.
What we're really doing is sacrificing ourselves for the furtherment of others.

How about our governments stop attacking poor defensless nations? Aren't they being racist?
And why don't they get off Kim Jong Sick's back those racist pricks?

So why should I want to put up with these spoiled brats holding up our CBD for 20 hours where not even our unions would get away with it?
This type of inequity actually fuels racial tensions.
They may be used to being treated like royalty back home, but here they are Joe average.

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Of course they're going to experiment with all types of things Happy, but the fact is, there is still a mass shortage of available and affordable university places for Australians. There is more of a demand for further education than at any other time in this country's history.

You must have missed the bit where I wrote that I thought their protest was idiotic, and counter productive Ammad?

Just one more sick thing about racism is it's ability to try and justify the unjustifiable, to say that if these Indians don't like it here, they should go home, is grossly offensive, as well as inordinately stupid, because it carries the message that these indian students should be accepting of any behaviour they are subjected to without complaint, or just p1ss off home.
It totally ignores the fact that they are concerned for their health and safety, because we do have some criminal, moronic, racist, scum, who are targeting these students for attack, and that is unacceptable by any standard of decency.

If people do not get the message that racism is wrong, and totally unacceptable, then we will just see more racists in our society, not less, which is what we should be trying to achieve.

That is why we should always be vigilant to teach our kids that racism is wrong, rather than exposing them to a society where too many choose to unjustly blame people from other cultures for problems they face.

When we address issues with other cultures they should be dealt with on the actual merit of the behaviour, and not just used to try and stereotype whole cultures as being one thing or another, because all cultures are made up of individuals, and all individuals deserve the chance to be respected, until they do something to lose that.

Even then, if they do display behaviour that is unacceptable, target the group that is displaying the bad behaviour, but do not unfairly include all the others who may share their cultural heritage, that are not a part of the bad behaviour.

Just think how we felt about that idiot Sol Trujillo, labelling Australia as a racist nation, which was a stupid racist comment to make, we certainly have some racists whose behaviour we do not like, but generally we are a generous and open nation, and we should be proud of that, and continue to improve that by openly, and forcibly letting all people know, that racism is not acceptable in "OUR" culture.

We will do that by not being racist, and not tolerating racist behaviour, to stop being racist, and trying to justify it by saying other countries are racist too.
We are not responsible for them, we are responsible for ourselves, and it is up to all of us to make those changes in ourselves, and in our homes and in our communities, by never accepting racism as anything but wrong, and never acceptable.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 12:53pm:



OFF TOPIC
But I must say that I have my doubt about truth in this statement.

Currently we have preferential treatment of the Race of those who came to Australia 30,000 years ago.

Children get “shoe money” just for appearing at school
Teachers have higher rate of pay just based on race.
They can secure special low interest loan.
And on and on and on…

Yes it was not always that way, but talking that racism in not acceptable in Australia NOW with this preferential treatment irrespective of reason is blatant sorry lie.