http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/07/27/penn-teller-al-gore-egregiously-pushy-asshole

I bet you thought EPA stands for Environmental Protection Agency.

Not according to the comedy team Penn & Teller, who during Thursday's "Being Green" installment of their hit television series on Showtime, tore Nobel Laureate Al Gore apart while referring to him as an "Egregiously Pushy A**hole."

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Go to the link and enjoy the show...
And, be sure NOT to miss the segment that COMPLETELY debunks the carbon credit scheme (about halfway in).

No. I'm a firm believer in 'give them enough rope'.  They continually tout Al Gore as if he was a climate scientist. It's called shooting the Messenger and it's irrelevant.

Hey Grendel, did you hear what the newsreader said last night about swine flu? What a retard! What does he know about swine flu anyway. Where are his medical qualifications? I'll bet he made it all up - just like Al Gore.

Listened to an excellent review of 'Heaven and Earth' on the Science Show yesterday evening. Remind me to post a link to the transcript when it appears.

It was by a fellow Geologist who has known and admired Ian Plimer for 35 years......... until he did unspeakable harm to his reputation by publishing this book.

I was at a barbecue the other day, and a good friend was saying how anthropogenic climate change was total nonsense.

Some of the small business magazines persist in publishing articles by Plimer, Carter etc, and for those who don't have a good grasp of science, including most politicians, it's very seductive stuff.

A lot of otherwise sensible people have been seduced by this nonsense.

I just hope that the government scientists take the time to explain it to Fielding. It's very tempting just to say "This is a load of nonsense". That might be true, but they need to explain why it's a load of nonsense. It should be very easy to demonstrate why it isn't all caused by solar flares, once you refer to the data that hasn't been deliberately altered.

Plimer's book is full of contradictions. In one section, it states that CO2 does not drive temperature increases, where in other parts, it does.

In a way it's a shame that a good scientist has gone to seed like this.

Here's the Heaven and Earth review (so far just on audio):
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2009/2586947.htm

Old Abe said it best, "You can fool SOME of the people, All of the time"

It just goes to show the power of a good PR campaign, create the myth of confusion, and confusion appears.

Call it controversial, and it becomes controversial.

Call it denialist bulltish, and you get howled down for not respecting the valid, scientifically based questions still arising from climate skeptics.

The trouble is that the skeptics all pin their hopes on the absolutely unscientific work of people who dismiss the findings of real scientists out of hand.
They do not address the real science, by producing studies for peer review, they write articles, or books, to cash in on the political objections to accepting the concensus scientific opinion, and that unnecessary polarisation has led us to this silly situation where charlatans are being quoted as authorities, whose opinions hold precedence to the amassed scientific studies of thousands of real scientists.

If it were not so dire, it would be comical.

Grendel wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 7:41pm:


Mozz has actually hit the nail on the head. Smarter people than you have been drawn in, Grendel. I think you're fair dinkum with what you believe, but you're wrong.

I was talking to an meteorologist on another forum a couple of years ago. His arguments were becoming more and more convoluted until one day, he sent me a private message. He had come to the realisation that he had been misled. It all clicked. We were looking at exactly the same evidence, and he had been seeing what he wanted to see.

The thing that changed his mind was the trend of stratospheric cooling.
At the time, I didn't even realise the significance of that at the time, so it wasn't anything I said that changed his view. He worked it out for himself.

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ROTFLMAO

You are such a hypocrite.