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Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Jun 15^th, 2009 at 9:46pm

Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu has delivered a speech backing a Palestinian state, but refused to accept demands of a cease to all settlement activity.

Obama welcomes Netanyahu's two-state solution endorsement

http://www.france24.com/en/20090614-obama-welcomes-netanyahu-endorsment-two-state-solution-palestinian-state

AFP - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech endorsing the creation of a Palestinian state was "an important step forward," the White House said Sunday.

President Barack Obama "welcomes the important step forward in Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech," spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a statement.

In the speech, Netanyahu endorsed for the first time the creation of a Palestinian state, provided it was demilitarized, after weeks of pressure from Washington.

The speech, which was billed as a response to Obama's address to the Muslim world ten days ago, ruled out a complete halt to settlement activity in the occupied West Bank, which Obama also has insisted on.

The White House statement reiterated Obama's commitment to a two-state solution, with a Jewish state of Israel and an independent Palestine "in the historic homeland of both peoples."

Obama "believes this solution can and must ensure both Israel's security and the fulfillment of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations for a viable state, and he welcomes Prime Minister Netanyahu's endorsement of that goal," it said.

"The president will continue working with all parties -- Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Arab states, and our Quartet partners -- to see that they fulfill their obligations and responsibilities necessary to achieve a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and a comprehensive regional peace," it said.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #1 - Jun 16^th, 2009 at 8:16am An important point missing from the above is that Netanyahu demanded that Israel be recognised as a Jewish state, not just that Palestinians recognise Israel, implying that Palestinians accept Israel's right to disenfranchise non-Jews should they collectively become demographically superior.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #2 - Jun 16^th, 2009 at 8:20am His demands will never be met and he knows it. Would he do to the state of Israel what he demands of a Palestinian state? There is no real progress here.
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Reply #3 - Jun 16^th, 2009 at 9:05am

I can see why you may not be overly impresed, but it is at least a symbolic step in the right direction.

When their are such degrees of resistance from both sides, we can only expect change to come with, treacle slow peaceful diplomacy, or explosively fast violent revolution.

They may be trying to step back from the violence with this symbolic move.

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Reply #4 - Jun 16^th, 2009 at 9:30am

Grendel wrote on Jun 16^th, 2009 at 8:20am:

His demands will never be met and he knows it.
Would he do to the state of Israel what he demands of a Palestinian state?
There is no real progress here.

I agree. Netanyahu has laid too many exclusions for the Palestinians as promised to those who elected him.

It will be interesting to see who gives in - I bet it won't be Netanyahu though.

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Reply #5 - Jun 16^th, 2009 at 11:01am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2009 at 9:05am:

I can see why you may not be overly impresed, but it is at least a symbolic step in the right direction.

When their are such degrees of resistance from both sides, we can only expect change to come with, treacle slow peaceful diplomacy, or explosively fast violent revolution.

They may be trying to step back from the violence with this symbolic move.

It's not surprising at all that an Israeli leader imposes conditions for the two state solution such as Netanyahu did... No Jew is ever going to put at risk Israel's moral and primary reason for its existence.

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Reply #6 - Jun 21^st, 2009 at 9:06pm

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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/828140/gillard-defends-israel-trip

GILLARD DEFENDS ISRAEL TRIP
11:38 AEST Sun Jun 21 2009

Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she is not surprised that her upcoming visit to Israel has sparked opposition at home.
Labor colleagues had expressed concerns about the dialogue with Israeli leaders.
MP Julia Irwin, an executive member of the Australian Parliamentary Friends of Palestine group, said the trip to Israel was unnecessary.And several other MPs voiced concern during a recent caucus meeting.
Ms Gillard said it was hardly surprising that there was a range of views on the issue.
"There's obviously a debate, a very real debate about matters in the Middle East, and so I suppose a politician's visit ... is going to be remarked upon," Ms Gillard told ABC television.
Labor were "strong friends and supporters" of Israel, she said.
The party strongly supported "a two-state solution, with secure borders to recognise the needs and aspirations of the Palestinian people".
"That will be my message in Israel," she said.
Ms Gillard is leading the delegation to the inaugural Australia Israel Leadership Forum, which includes former treasurer Peter Costello, Liberal frontbenchers Chris Pyne and George Brandis, and Labor backbenchers Mike Kelly and Mark Dreyfus.

Not everybody likes to see Julia to go there, but 2 state solution seems fair.

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Reply #7 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:54am

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I can see why you may not be overly impresed, but it is at least a symbolic step in the right direction.

Are you all there mozza?

Israeli leaders recognised the need for a two-state solution long ago. Netanyahu's views are not a step in that direction, they're about 50 leaps in the opposite direction, and one small fairy step back to appease the gullible fools.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #8 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:56am Quote: Israeli leaders recognised the need for a two-state solution long ago. For example?
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Reply #9 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 10:21am

From the earliest days of Zionism, most Jewish leaders accepted a two-state solution, for the simple fact, they were gaining everything, and losing nothing. They had no state, so accepting a two-state solution was nothing but a victory. So they accepted the Peel Plan, and the 1947 UN plan and all other plans proposed. After expelling the Palestinians from their land, they then sunk into a historical revisionism, in which they denied Palestinians even existed, and promoted various forms of propaganda to promote those ideas.

However, pretty much all of them over the past 10-15 years, since Rabin have returned to the idea, as they know they can't continue how they are now.

At Oslo (1993), Camp David (2000), Teba (2001), Aqaba (2003). Annapolis (2007).

So from Rabin to Olmert, all of them endorsed the two state solution, except Netanyahu.

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Reply #10 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 1:23am

Yes, it always were Arabs not Zionists who wanted all or nothing.

BTW the lie about expulsion of Palestinians from Israel is just that a lie because if it was true then there would not be over 20% of the Arabs in Israel. Another interesting fact is that 2007 survey data shows that a majority (62%) of Arab citizens of Israel would prefer to remain Israeli citizens rather than become citizens of a future Palestinian state. That must be because joos are evil towards poor peace loving Arabs Wink

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Reply #11 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:19am

Only 10% of Israel's population are Arabs and they are the most underpaid workers in the state. What do you mean all or nothing - Tallow? Their parents and grandparents lost their homes and there have been 2 million Arabs flee Israel. Those remaining don't have the same advantages as the Israelis, although their conditions are improving a bit.

All the average Palestinian wants is a place where they are free to work, cultivate a little land for sustenance and educate their kids in peace.

And as far as Abu's comment on all previous Israeli leaders accepting a two-state solution - I find that hard to believe - it's just that Netanyahu is less diplomatic than previous leaders. If Israel wanted a two-state solution - it would have happened by now.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #12 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:35am Where do you get your facts from. Quote: As of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country's total population. The majority of these identify themselves as Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #13 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:12am I'll have a hunt for that article, but the figure of 20% is apparently obfuscated and the numbers seem to vary wherever you look. The figure of 20% Arabs also included 9% Africans & others, who are needed for their legal, domestic slavery industry.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #14 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:30am Ah no 20% is all Arabs including non-muslim arabs and its is probably closer to 23%. I got that from various sources. All roughly the same percentage
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