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Re: More religiously-motivated rapes??
Reply #15 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 8:59pm
 
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Just be a man for once and say "No there is no other case, and now I think about it, it does seem quite disproportionate compared to other sentencing we see".


Why would I say there is no other case? I haven't even looked. It's not like I'm hiding something from you. And I thought the sentence for the Muslim bloke was reduced anyway, so you should be happy about him getting out. Maybe one day you will get to stone him to death.
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Reply #16 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:02am
 
abu,

From my own perspective,

It is the intention of moslems, living among non-moslems, to demand from non-moslems, to show to the moslem community a higher, social 'respect'.

That is an ISLAMIC doctrine, which is PROMOTED within the umma, to demand from non-moslems, a higher 'respect' for ISLAM, and moslems.

And the appropriate tool, to engender a higher 'respect' for ISLAM is to engender a palpable fear among non-moslems, for moslems.

A terror.


And the opportunistic rape of non-moslem women, by young moslem men, is a 'tool' which is being used to enable that, feeling of terror, among non-moslem women, and the non-moslem community generally.

Hilali's comments [after-the-event], demonstrated that [in the mind of the moslem community] there was clearly some sort of 'provocation' to rape, which is being constantly exhibited by non-moslem women.

And Hilali's comments, in his mosque sermon, describing non-moslem women as 'catmeat' [because they do not dress as ISLAM requires], while not overtly encouraging rape, clearly is intended to blame shift.

So, this [Hilali's argument] establishes in the mind of the moslem community, that moslem rapists are less culpable [less blameworthy],
BECAUSE THE 'RAPISTS' WERE 'PROVOKED' BY NON-MOSLEM WOMEN.

And again, here, we have another example of expressed moslem 'victimhood'.

Whenever moslems are 'revealed' to be acting in a clearly, unconscionable way, the blame and responsibility, for any actions, is always shifted away from moslems, and away from the moslem community.

i.e.
"The non-moslems clearly provoked us.
And after we were provoked, now they punish us!!
The non-moslems are always unjust to moslems!
They are 'racist', against moslems!"


So, in the mind of the moslem community, non-moslem women should wear clothing which is appropriate to moslem women.

Its called, slow ISLAMISATION.




Q.
Why is the ISLAMIC rape of non-moslem women, broadly, provisionally 'tolerated' by moslem communities?

And it is, from my perspective.

A.
Because quintessentially, ISLAMIC rape, is another means of instilling the fear of moslems, among non-moslems.

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ISLAMIC rape, is a form of terror, and this behaviour clearly falls under the auspice of the obligation on moslems to Jihad, against individual non-moslems and also non-moslems communities.





Terrorising 'unbelievers' is the objective.

Rape is one 'tool', in that objective.


Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005
A Sunday Times reporter spent two months as a recruit inside the Saviour Sect to reveal for the first time how the extremist group promotes hatred of “non-believers” and encourages its followers to commit acts of violence including suicide bombings.
The reporter witnessed one of the sect’s leading figures, Sheikh Omar Brooks, telling a young audience, including children, that it was the duty of Muslims to be terrorists and boasting, just days before the July 7 attacks, that he wanted to die as a suicide bomber.
After the [London] attacks that claimed 52 lives, another key figure, Zachariah, justified them by saying that the victims were not “innocent” people because they did not abide by strict Islamic laws.
.....Speaking to a group of teenagers and families, he declared it was imperative for Muslims to “instil terror into the hearts of the kuffar” and added: “I am a terrorist. As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist.”
......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: “Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html




In 'promoting' ISLAM to the whole world,
Terror - is the objective!
Terror - is the 'method'!



The rape of non-moslem women is a tool, to empower the spread of that terror [fear of moslems], among non-moslems.




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Reply #17 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 3:20pm
 
ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE.....
MOSLEMS SHOULD ACT TO INSTILL TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF ALLAH'S ENEMIES....

From the Hadith.....

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.10...


"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...



In my opinion, the rape of non-moslem women, is one of the tools being used by ISLAMISTS to engage the Jihad, against non-moslem communities.



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Re: More religiously-motivated rapes??
Reply #18 - Jul 6th, 2009 at 7:52am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 5:25pm:
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Wow, you found another criminal. Congratulations


Your mock wonderment highlights your ignorance on how hypocritical it is to blame the entire Muslim community (something which we see a lot) based on the actions of criminals who happen to be from that community.

If you don't have the basic intellect to at least perceive this, then your comment does nothing but ridicule your ownself.


Pionting a finger at the wrong person Abu but If you don't have the basic intellect to at least perceive this, then your comment does nothing but ridicule your ownself.
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Reply #19 - Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:21am
 
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Pionting a finger at the wrong person Abu but If you don't have the basic intellect to at least perceive this, then your comment does nothing but ridicule your ownself.


You just don't seem to get it do you?

This was your response to my thread...

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Wow, you found another criminal. Congratulations!


I'm not interested in the SLIGHTEST in finding and pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals, I'm only posting that story here to _highlight_ the hypocrisy of those who habitually blame all Muslims for the actions of certain criminal individuals. Unlike most of the brain dead bigots here, I don't for a nanosecond assume that because an Anglo son of a priest committed serial rapes therefore all Anglo Christians are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it.

Are you really that daft that it just went straight over you?
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Re: More religiously-motivated rapes??
Reply #20 - Jul 6th, 2009 at 2:18pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:21am:
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Pionting a finger at the wrong person Abu but If you don't have the basic intellect to at least perceive this, then your comment does nothing but ridicule your ownself.


You just don't seem to get it do you?

This was your response to my thread...

Quote:
Wow, you found another criminal. Congratulations!


I'm not interested in the SLIGHTEST in finding and pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals, I'm only posting that story here to _highlight_ the hypocrisy of those who habitually blame all Muslims for the actions of certain criminal individuals. Unlike most of the brain dead bigots here, I don't for a nanosecond assume that because an Anglo son of a priest committed serial rapes therefore all Anglo Christians are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it.

Are you really that daft that it just went straight over you?


I don't for a nanosecond assume that because a son of a Muslim committed serial rapes therefore all Muslims are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it.

Are you really that daft that it just went straight over you?

Of course FD's comment that if individual leaders of a certain group make statements ala "uncovered meat" and those comments firstly recieve no equally authoritive criticism from the Muslim community (Muslim ettequite and all) and secondly are percieved as acceptable as a standard opinion of "westerm" women than obvoiusly that silent group will bear some of the taint.

Prevoius FD/Abu Quote:
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Statements after the facts do not alter the motivations of the perpetrators.

True, but they can reveal them.


Yes, that seems to be reasonable observation.


How much ourrage did you show at those particulat comments? Or were you too daft to see the wrongness of it.

FD/Abu Quote:
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he just thinks it's extremely unfair that Muslims get 50 odd years, whilst others get less than 10 in most cases

That sounds like an unreasonable generalisation to me.


Don't you remember me saying the priest's son should get 15 years for each rape.
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Re: More religiously-motivated rapes??
Reply #21 - Jul 6th, 2009 at 7:33pm
 
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I'm not interested in the SLIGHTEST in finding and pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals, I'm only posting that story here to _highlight_ the hypocrisy of those who habitually blame all Muslims for the actions of certain criminal individuals.


Correct me if I am wrong Abu, but aren't you doing that by pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals? If it was an atheist criminal, your point would have been lost, would it not?
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Re: More religiously-motivated rapes??
Reply #22 - Jul 7th, 2009 at 5:12pm
 
locutius,

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I don't for a nanosecond assume that because a son of a Muslim committed serial rapes therefore all Muslims are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it.


In that case then this thread wasn't targetted at you, so I can't really understand what motivated you to come in and state what you did. I assumed it was because you missed the irony of it, but you insist this isn't the case.

Sadly fd still doesn't seem to get it...

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Correct me if I am wrong Abu, but aren't you doing that by pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals..


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Reply #23 - Jul 7th, 2009 at 8:22pm
 
Yes I do. I was just pointing out that you were still wrong, whatever your motives. You can't go and do something, then claim you had no itnerest in doing what you just did because you have some kind of reasoning to justify it.
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Reply #24 - Jul 18th, 2009 at 10:22am
 
More Lebanese Mus... nope actually this one's a priest... But Christians don't rape of course, only Muslims.

And not just a layman, but the leader of the Christian community, the priest.. So priests and priest's sons can go around raping and pillaging as they like, but only Lebanese rapists (The Muslims that is, not the good friendly Christian ones) are supposedly religiously-motivated rapists.. Only in the twisted world of the Islamophobes could such nonsense be construed as an argument.

Also quite interesting that the fact he's a priest isn't even mentioned until about half way through the story. If he were a Muslim (not even a leader of the Muslim community, just a normal average Muslim) then it'd be in the headline for sure... But the media isn't biased against Islam or Muslims mind you, just co-incidence.



Alleged rapist caught on CCTV


Article from: The Advertiser
JORDANNA SCHRIEVER, COURT REPORTER

July 17, 2009 12:01am


UPDATE: A MAN who surrendered to police after CCTV footage of a sex attack suspect was released was initially sent home before police arrested and charged him.

On Wednesday, police released footage of a man wanted for questioning over a sex attack in Modbury on Monday.

In Elizabeth Magistrates Court , lawyer Craig Ellis said his client was alerted by family members to footage of a man matching his appearance, shown in media reports on Monday night.

His client is a priest from Adelaide's northern suburbs, who cannot be identified.

"When he heard about this from the family members he then went to the Port Adelaide police station to make inquiries," Mr Ellis said. Police said he was not the man they were seeking and sent him home, where he was later arrested, the court was told.

Mr Ellis told the court his client had not yet given him full instructions.

"It may be his instructions are that he was present at the premises but nothing happened, or it may be he wasn't present . . . at all," he said.

The man was charged with serious criminal trespass, assault, compelling a person to sexually manipulate him and indecent assault.

Police said they would not comment on why the man was sent home after presenting at the police station.

In court, magistrate Jack Fahey granted the man bail, to reappear in August.

Source: News.com.au
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Reply #25 - Jul 18th, 2009 at 12:07pm
 
yeah imagine a gang rapist like that calling them aussie sluts and all.
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Reply #26 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 9:55am
 
On topic.....

More religiously-motivated rapes,  .......inside Iranian prisons.

This is an account of moslem religious 'compassion', for those about to die.



The moslem prison guard rapist, declared that he regrets his actions....

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    "I regret [the rapes], even though the marriages were legal," he said.

    Why the regret, if the marriages were "legal?"

    "Because," he went on, "I could tell that the girls were more afraid of their 'wedding' night than of the execution that awaited them in the morning. And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping pills in their food. By morning the girls would have an empty expression; it seemed like they were ready or wanted to die.

    "I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over," he said.






Read a fuller account of these Iranian prison 'marriages'....

July 19, 2009
Member of Iranian Basiji militia tells of being assigned to rape women prior to their execution
.....    He said he had been a highly regarded member of the force, and had so "impressed my superiors" that, at 18, "I was given the 'honor' to temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death."
    In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026964.php
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443842931&pagename=JPost%2FJPArti...




EXPLANATION:

"...In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard....."

Within the doctrine of these particular moslems, it is believed that these female wrongdoers, those who commit crimes against ISLAM, and Allah, may somehow[!], as virgins, be allowed into paradise.

So to ensure that these girls and women will go to Allah's hell, the Iranian regime, demands that these miscreants must be 'deflowered', before execution.






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Reply #27 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 1:41pm
 
I guess it must be pretty disheartening knowing that the LEADERS of your religion are being charged for rape...

Which then causes you to look to other countries to try and dig up some dirt. There's no doubting the Iranian regime, like all the other regimes that inflict the Muslim world are deviants. Apart from the fact they're Shi'a..

Nevermind, as long as it allowed you to take your mind off the fact that many of your leaders are rapists and/or child molestorers..
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Reply #28 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 1:52pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2009 at 1:41pm:
I guess it must be pretty disheartening knowing that the LEADERS of your religion are being charged for rape...

Which then causes you to look to other countries to
try
and dig up some dirt. There's no doubting the Iranian regime, like all the other regimes that inflict the Muslim world are deviants. Apart from the fact they're Shi'a..

Nevermind, as long as it allowed you to take your mind off the fact that many of your leaders are rapists and/or child molestorers..



Try? Try? !!!!!!

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.....There's no doubting the Iranian regime, like all the other regimes that inflict the Muslim world are deviants.





Yep.

I have known for some months now, that you are the only REAL moslem, anywhere on the planet abu.

All of the others are only
'deviants'
, and
'not real moslems'
.
/sarc off


LOL







EXAMPLES OF....
'Deviants'
, and
'not real moslems'
, 'misrepresenting' ISLAM.
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ISLAMIC doctrine towards Kafir, being espoused to moslem communities #1
[Kafir  = = 'unbelief']

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.
Only between Muslims and unbelievers.
And the life of an unbeliever has no value.
It has no sanctity."

Quote, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad,
a UK moslem community leader
.

What Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad is explaining, is that as far as [true] ISLAM is concerned, non-moslems who reject ISLAM, and oppose the spread of ISLAM, can be 'lawfully' murdered by devout moslems - if they have the 'opportunity'.




ISLAMIC doctrine on Kafir, being espoused to moslem communities #2

And, Anjem Choudary -
another UK moslem community leader.

Here on YOUTUBE, he explains ISLAM's relationship to 'unbelievers', to the dumb Kuffar,

"...when we say innocent people, we mean muslims."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a muslim....i must have *hatred* towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[muslims] allegence is always with the muslims, so i will never condemn a muslim for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4i
These following, are just a few examples in ISLAM's own 'scriptures', justifying the violence of the Jihad, against non-moslems,


The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.0...


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Re: More religiously-motivated rapes??
Reply #29 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 5:19pm
 
Just be dignified enough to actually address the issue of this thread, instead of constantly passing the buck off to someone else (posting huge long rants with pictures, huge headings, excessive punctuation and line spacing). In every single thread about Islam that I respond in, I always address the issue, and never say "but hey look what you guys did here". Even if I remotely mention another group in passing, you all jump up and down with "tu quoque" or "deflection".

Doesn't your religion teach some golden rule about doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you? Or is it like everything else in your religion just symbolic?

But I understand your situation, you're really in a fix when things like this happen aren't you. Because you constantly blame Islam for the actions of rogue adherents (who most of the time aren't even very practising adherents at that), yet then it regularly surfaces that your leaders and 'holy men' are doing very evil and wicked deeds.... Talk about egg on the face.
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