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Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 8:59pm
 
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Her Britannic Majesty is the head of state than to become a Jordanian or Saudi one.


Although I'd never sing the praises of any of the Arab regimes, you're right that they're all scum (not the people, the regimes, a distinction you conveniently omitted) but you're very wrong when it comes to who has and hasn't granted citizenship to Palestinians. Jordan for instance has probably 1000 times more Palestinian CITIZENS than all Britannic realms put together, so please go and do a little research. Saudi doesn't permit citizenship to anyone, Palestinian, Egyptian, Pakistani doesn't matter. Even if you lived and worked your whole life there, and so did your parents. No doubting it's a disgusting regime the British have setup there.
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Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:05pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 8:59pm:
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Her Britannic Majesty is the head of state than to become a Jordanian or Saudi one.


Although I'd never sing the praises of any of the Arab regimes, you're right that they're all scum (not the people, the regimes, a distinction you conveniently omitted) but you're very wrong when it comes to who has and hasn't granted citizenship to Palestinians. Jordan for instance has probably 1000 times more Palestinian CITIZENS than all Britannic realms put together, so please go and do a little research. Saudi doesn't permit citizenship to anyone, Palestinian, Egyptian, Pakistani doesn't matter. Even if you lived and worked your whole life there, and so did your parents. No doubting it's a disgusting regime the British have setup there.

So... you are taking back the quip about Pallo children suffering in refugee camps because of evil western/jewish bloodsuckers?

No doubting that they suffer in refugee camps - but they are kept there by their 'bovvers'.

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Reply #17 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:14pm
 
Not at all.

The British/Zionists are the ones who booted them out of their homes, so they are the ones who put them into the refugee camps. The fact the Arab regimes (who are all created/backed by Britain/US anyway) didn't clean up the mess very well says NOTHING about who made the mess to begin with.

Each year about 200,000 Jews migrate into occupied Palestine (under the 'Law of return' which permits any Jew born anywhere in the world to attain instant Israeli citizenship), daily the number of Palestinians made homeless continues to grow, as homes are demolished and land/farms are confiscated by the Zionist government. Those people generally end up in refugee camps... Can you see any connection between those events? Or is it just a co-incidence?
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Reply #18 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:20pm
 
There are over a million Palestinians in Israel, most of them Muslims, none of them refugees.


Yeah, I can see the difference.


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Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:30pm
 
Firstly, The fact they kept a small minority of Palestinians there means little. They only wanted to boot out enough for them to become a minority, so they wouldn't be a threat to the "Jewishness" of the new state they created on top of their homes.

Secondly, the treatment of Palestinians inside Israel does not justify or excuse booting the others out and causing them to become homeless/refugees. Your argument is extremely flawed.

Like saying if I have two friends in my home, Tom and Fred, and I treat Fred well, but I kick Tom out of my home, and Tom gets treated poorly elsewhere, then my treatment of Fred somehow makes up for kicking Tom out, and Tom's poor treatment elsewhere cancels out the fact I kicked him out.... What kind of skewed logic is this?
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Reply #20 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:38pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:30pm:
Firstly, The fact they kept a small minority of Palestinians there means little. They only wanted to boot out enough for them to become a minority, so they wouldn't be a threat to the "Jewishness" of the new state they created on top of their homes.

Secondly, the treatment of Palestinians inside Israel does not justify or excuse booting the others out and causing them to become homeless/refugees. Your argument is extremely flawed.

Like saying if I have two friends in my home, Tom and Fred, and I treat Fred well, but I kick Tom out of my home, and Tom gets treated poorly elsewhere, then my treatment of Fred somehow makes up for Tom's poor treatment elsewhere.... What kind of skewed logic is this?



Again, you've got it in one - 'my home'. Exactly. Israel is jewish. Has always been jewish.

So if the joo kicks out the intruders from his home and they get treated badly by their kin - well, that's is not the joo's bad, it's the intruders' bad and their brovvers' bad.


No skewed logic there, I'm afraid. i
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Reply #21 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:01pm
 
Nice point, if we wanted to make the analogy more complete, we'd make it Tom's home, to boot.

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Israel is jewish. Has always been jewish.


And this is right where you depart from any normal sense of reality.

There was 2% or less Jews there for the past millenium and a half. For the past 1200 years, it's been a Muslim land, that's longer than both Jewish Kingdom/Temple periods combined.
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Reply #22 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:20pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:01pm:
Nice point, if we wanted to make the analogy more complete, we'd make it Tom's home, to boot.

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Israel is jewish. Has always been jewish.


And this is right where you depart from any normal sense of reality.

There was 2% or less Jews there for the past millenium and a half. For the past 1200 years, it's been a Muslim land, that's longer than both Jewish Kingdom/Temple periods combined.



abu, you live in some bizarre past Israel is jewish while Arabia is arabs and muslim at that.




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Reply #23 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:30pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:01pm:
Nice point, if we wanted to make the analogy more complete, we'd make it Tom's home, to boot.

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Israel is jewish. Has always been jewish.


And this is right where you depart from any normal sense of reality.

There was 2% or less Jews there for the past millenium and a half. For the past 1200 years, it's been a Muslim land, that's longer than both Jewish Kingdom/Temple periods combined.



Well, 'Muslim' is not a country. There never, ever, has been a 'Muslim' country in Israel or anywhere else for that matter.  All the previous sovereign powers in the region are gone. So now it is Israel, a sovereign country.


The jews - 3000 years old, would you say? At least twice as old as Islam. And they have never had any other country but Israel, for all those years. JUdea - geddit? The Muslims are takeover merchants and are peeved that the landlord has returned and is not going to be intimidated by the toughies. i
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Reply #24 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:56am
 
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Well, 'Muslim' is not a country.


"Jewish" is not a country either, didn't stop you from stating this:

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Israel is jewish. Has always been jewish.


Perhaps you should learn how to be at least a little consistent in your arguments, to avoid further embaressment?

The simple fact is that Omar Bin al-Khattab (May God be pleased with him) opened that land (known as Bilad ash-Sham in Arabic) to the ISLAMIC Caliphate, and it remained part of the Islamic Caliphate for 1200 years until the British arrived. You can try and toy with the semantics all you like, these are the historical facts.

Also a historical fact is that the Jews did have two brief kingdoms there, that lasted less time than the Islamic Caliphate, and also they ruled as subordinates to other foreign powers for brief periods of time also. Also historical fact is that they murdered en masse the Phillistines and Canaanites and others who lived there when they arrived there. They are by no means the original inhabitants of the land, just one group who happen to be there at certain point in history. If they (and this story) weren't in your holy book, you wouldn't give them a second look, simple. Anymore than yo'd consider Macedonians the rightful inhabitants of Afghanistan, simply because one of their leaders conquered it and happened to live there for some time.

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And they have never had any other country but Israel


Bzzt, wrong! They had a kingdom in Khazaria too.

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The Muslims are takeover merchants and are peeved that the landlord has returned and is not going to be intimidated by the toughies.


Sorry, but they were not there when Muslims arrived, and didn't even make any effort to claim it as their land until after 1200 years after we were there. Also many of the modern day Palestinians show genetic markers which trace them to that land long before the 1200 year arrival of Islam. There are Greek/Romans, Ghassanid Arabs, Hebrews etc. that are all ancestors of modern day Palestinians.

Just a question, if the Japanese rocked up in Australia and claimed "This was our historical homeland, which was mentioned in our Shinto texts, sure we weren't here when you arrived, but we were there about 400 years before that, we're taking our homeland back, you have to move to other Western countries" what would be your response? Consider it honestly, and then you will have understood the situation of the Palestinians. Just to make it a little more authentic, imagine it happened in the year 2988 (ie. 1200 years after 1788). We both know if it happened today, there'd be massive bloodshed, if it happened after we'd spent about another 1000 years settling in here, solidifying our attachment to this land, then I'm sure you can extrapolate...
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Reply #25 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:19am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:56am:
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Well, 'Muslim' is not a country.


"Jewish" is not a country either, didn't stop you from stating this:
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But Israel is a country and it is Jewish country at that. BTW, Palestine is not a country arab or otherwise and newer was while Arabia is full of Arab countries and they all muslim.
These are facts.


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Reply #26 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 1:31pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:14pm:
Not at all.

The British/Zionists are the ones who booted them out of their homes, so they are the ones who put them into the refugee camps. The fact the Arab regimes (who are all created/backed by Britain/US anyway) didn't clean up the mess very well says NOTHING about who made the mess to begin with.

Each year about 200,000 Jews migrate into occupied Palestine (under the 'Law of return' which permits any Jew born anywhere in the world to attain instant Israeli citizenship), daily the number of Palestinians made homeless continues to grow, as homes are demolished and land/farms are confiscated by the Zionist government. Those people generally end up in refugee camps... Can you see any connection between those events? Or is it just a co-incidence?



They booted themselves out of their homes by invading the Jewish state. Arabic radio broadcasts counselled Arabs to flee the invading Arab armies, and they would return later triumphant once they had killed all the ebil Jews. Didn't work out so well.

And after 1948, there still could have been a Palestinian state, but Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza and the West Bank and squashed any attempt at Palestinian nationalism. So the Arab brothers were the first 'occupiers' after 1948, not the Jews. The Jews occupied the regions after they were again set to be invaded in 1967, and 1973.

The Jews bought land and worked desert into profitable areas. Bandit ridden desert, that the Palestinians didn't want, the Jews through hard work grew crops and built houses there. Now the Palestinians wanted it, and wanted to kill all the Jews. But their declared war of extermination in 1948 only led to many years of sorrow for them.

You reap what you sow.
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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 1:57pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 1:31pm:
You reap what you sow.




They just refuse to move forward and saying that all Jews have to be killed or pushed out to sea does not sound legitimate in 21 century.

They and their mentality didn't change since 7-th century, and unfortunately for them rest of the World did.
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Reply #28 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:56pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:56am:
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Well, 'Muslim' is not a country.


"Jewish" is not a country either, didn't stop you from stating this:

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Israel is jewish. Has always been jewish.


Perhaps you should learn how to be at least a little consistent in your arguments, to avoid further embaressment?




So why don't the Pallos declare themselves a country and make a go of it already? Why keep kvetching and murdering? Because they are just a loose set of gangs, clans and families.


The Kazars, the schmazars, the caliphs and the japanese are all irrelevant. Muslims bellyache about the jews because they can't bear the thought that the living testaments to Islam's falsity are not only getting out of 1400 years of dhimmitude in the region but actually doing much, much better.




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Reply #29 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 12:12am
 
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They just refuse to move forward and saying that all Jews have to be killed or pushed out to sea does not sound legitimate in 21 century.


I'm sure if you'd been booted out of your home (that your family had probably owned for hundreds of years, with olive tress that'd been in your family stretching back many many generations) and you'd had your car run over by a tank, and several of your family members murdered by IDF snipers, that you'd just say "Oh well, better get on with it and move into the 21st. century". I'm truly amazed at how stupendously detached from reality some people are when it comes to other people's predicaments.
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