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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #60 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 1:18pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:52pm:

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HISTORY DEMONSTRATES, that unless they know that they have overwhelming numbers, moslems never stand and fight.

You are the prince of fabricators.

This is what HISTORY DEMONSTRATES.

The first Muslim battle, Badr: Muslims - 300, Polytheists - 1,000
Battle of Uhud: Muslims - 700-1,000, Polytheists - 3,200
al-Khandaq/al-Ahzab: Muslims - 3,000 (mostly besieged civilians), Polytheist/Jewish alliance - 10,000
Battle of Mu'tah: Muslims - 3,000, Romans (Byzantines) - 100,000
Battle of Marj-ud-Deebaj: Muslims - 4,000, Romans - 10,000
Battle of Walaja: Muslims - 15,000, Persians - 25,000-30,000
Battle of Ullais: Muslims - 15,000, Persians - 70,000
Battle of Firaz: Muslims - 15,000, Persians/Romans/Arabs - 100,000-300,000

I doubt you have any idea about the history of Islam, other than the tripe you've read from anti-Islamic sources. I've read both, and the crap you believe is very unhistorical.

abu,

LOL

ISLAMIC sources, and accounts, of ISLAMIC history?

LOL

A compendium of distortion, deception, and lies.

e.g.

LISTEN TO WHAT THE Koran has to say,
about the character of Mohammad,
and about the character of the moslem community...

LOL

It is a TOTAL fantasy!!!

LOL

The Koran....

The murderer, the pirate, the thief, the breaker of covenants, 'a wonderful example to mankind'....

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021

The murderers, the pirates, the thieves, the breakers of covenants....

"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110

ISLAM'S ACCOUNT OF ITS OWN HISTORY, AND MORALITY.....
HARDLY IMPARTIAL,
HARDLY CREDIBLE,
HARDLY ACCURATE.

".....the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah."

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.i
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see....

Part 152 A - Muhammad and Projective Identification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV94fxLPSuY

Part 152 B - Muhammad and Projective Identification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEA5mbRjITs

A full list of all, al Rassooli's "AhmadsQuran3" talks on YOUTUBE....
http://www.al-rassooli.com/ahmadsquran3/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise Reply #61 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 1:22pm Calanen wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 10:04am: Quote: With ISLAM / moslems, it is all lies, deception, violence. Snakes in the grass. The Sikhs have a saying; 'A muslim is one side snake, one side muslim. To kill the snake, you must kill the muslim.' They say something similar about Hindus as well.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise Reply #62 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 1:28pm Sorry I forgot, only sources emanating from the West are considered historically accurate. My mistake.
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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #63 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 1:29pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:52pm:

I doubt you have any idea about the history of Islam, other than the tripe you've read from anti-Islamic sources. I've read both, and the crap you believe is very unhistorical
.

An old I.T. truism....

Rubbish-in = = rubbish-out.

ISLAMIC accounts of ISLAMIC history.....
....are RUBBISH [lies].

If we build our house on sand [lies], it will be swept away by the storms of TRUTH.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #64 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 1:43pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:52pm:

This is what HISTORY DEMONSTRATES.

The first Muslim battle, Badr: Muslims - 300, Polytheists - 1,000
Battle of Uhud: Muslims - 700-1,000, Polytheists - 3,200
al-Khandaq/al-Ahzab: Muslims - 3,000 (mostly besieged civilians), Polytheist/Jewish alliance - 10,000
Battle of Mu'tah: Muslims - 3,000, Romans (Byzantines) - 100,000
Battle of Marj-ud-Deebaj: Muslims - 4,000, Romans - 10,000
Battle of Walaja: Muslims - 15,000, Persians - 25,000-30,000
Battle of Ullais: Muslims - 15,000, Persians - 70,000
Battle of Firaz: Muslims - 15,000, Persians/Romans/Arabs - 100,000-300,000

abu,

I'm just waiting for the ISLAMIC propagandists to 'write up', the current 'inner struggle', being conducted in Afghanistan.

Battle of Afghanistan: Mujahadeen - 375, Infidel Coalition forces 150,000

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise Reply #65 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 2:58pm You're onto something there Yadda, if Muslims from Afghanistan supposedly attacked the U.S, then indeed they certainly don't go for the smallest armies to fight against, and again, your claims are shown to be utter fabrications.
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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #66 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 8:16pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:52pm:

This is what HISTORY DEMONSTRATES.

The first Muslim battle, Badr: Muslims - 300, Polytheists - 1,000
Battle of Uhud: Muslims - 700-1,000, Polytheists - 3,200
al-Khandaq/al-Ahzab: Muslims - 3,000 (mostly besieged civilians), Polytheist/Jewish alliance - 10,000
Battle of Mu'tah: Muslims - 3,000, Romans (Byzantines) - 100,000
Battle of Marj-ud-Deebaj: Muslims - 4,000, Romans - 10,000
Battle of Walaja: Muslims - 15,000, Persians - 25,000-30,000
Battle of Ullais: Muslims - 15,000, Persians - 70,000
Battle of Firaz: Muslims - 15,000, Persians/Romans/Arabs - 100,000-300,000

So here goes the myth about peaceful advancement of islam Cool

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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #67 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 10:29pm

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So here goes the myth about peaceful advancement of islam

Can't see anywhere in any of those statistics where it says Muslims violently advanced anywhere.

Badr, Uhud and Ahzab were all fought in close promixity to Medinah against invading polytheist/jewish forces. Ahzab was in fact a siege of Medinah...

Perhaps you'd better at least read the basics of Islamic history before commenting tallow?

Also just out of curiosity can you name a single nation/empire/civilisation that didn't have a few battles in it's first coupla centuries of existence? It's nothing out of the ordinary at all. It would've simply been impossible not to. The idea that there should be no battles in the history of Islam is just ludicrous, and demonstrates a clear lack of intellect on the part of anyone posing such a preposterous idea.

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Reply #68 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 11:47pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 10:29pm:

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So here goes the myth about peaceful advancement of islam

Can't see anywhere in any of those statistics where it says Muslims violently advanced anywhere.

Badr, Uhud and Ahzab were all fought in close promixity to Medinah against invading polytheist/jewish forces. Ahzab was in fact a siege of Medinah...

Perhaps you'd better at least read the basics of Islamic history before commenting tallow?

Also just out of curiosity can you name a single nation/empire/civilisation that didn't have a few battles in it's first coupla centuries of existence? It's nothing out of the ordinary at all. It would've simply been impossible not to. The idea that there should be no battles in the history of Islam is just ludicrous, and demonstrates a clear lack of intellect on the part of anyone posing such a preposterous idea.

Slyly, as usual, you equate imperial exopansionist conquests with battles of self-defence within defined borders.

Just ludicrous. Who do you think you are kidding?

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Reply #69 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 12:56am

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Slyly, as usual, you equate imperial exopansionist conquests with battles of self-defence within defined borders.

Are you going to now attempt to impose the rules of engagement in the era of the nation-state (with it's clearly defined borders) on people from a very different time, 1400 years ago? You gotta be consistent with the rest of your garbage I guess.

Anyway as I pointed out, those first 3 battles were all fought defensively. So defensively, they were pretty much all within the precincts of Medinah itself.

Most of those with the Romans and Persians were fairly similar. As more of the Arabian peninsula embraced Islam, the two superpowers felt threatened and began to move their proxy Arab tribes in to heavy people into not accepting Islam, which of course the Muslims had to counter. It was a fledgling city-state (not even an empire yet) defending itself against two hungry superpowers. And only by the grace of God did they manage to survive it, and not only that, but replace those two superpowers within a very short time.

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Reply #70 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 6:22pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 14^th, 2009 at 12:56am:

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Slyly, as usual, you equate imperial exopansionist conquests with battles of self-defence within defined borders.

Are you going to now attempt to impose the rules of engagement in the era of the nation-state (with it's clearly defined borders) on people from a very different time, 1400 years ago?

Are you attempting to impose the jihadi rules of engagement of tribal nomads 1400 years ago on people of modern nation states with clearly defined borders?
Yes, you are.

That is why you lot still treat the Crusades and the Reconquista as if they were events directly relevant today - but the Arab conquests are water under the bridge, historic past, different era, nothing to see here.

It does not really matter whether you are a sly jihadi and know exctly the sleight of hand you are employing or you are really so Islamic in your thinking that basic concepts and rules of reasing escape you because you can think only in the garbled hotch-potch of Islamic rhetoric , much of it modelled for you in the Koran, a singularly gormless, tedious and incoherent book. (Can I have this opinion?)

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise Reply #71 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 6:26pm Quote: Are you attempting to impose the jihadi rules of engagement of tribal nomads 1400 years ago on people of modern nation states with clearly defined borders? Yes, you are. I am? Where?
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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #72 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 6:44pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 10:29pm:

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So here goes the myth about peaceful advancement of islam

Can't see anywhere in any of those statistics where it says Muslims violently advanced anywhere.

Badr, Uhud and Ahzab were all fought in close promixity to Medinah against invading polytheist/jewish forces. Ahzab was in fact a siege of Medinah...

Perhaps you'd better at least read the basics of Islamic history before commenting tallow?

Also just out of curiosity can you name a single nation/empire/civilisation that didn't have a few battles in it's first coupla centuries of existence? It's nothing out of the ordinary at all. It would've simply been impossible not to. The idea that there should be no battles in the history of Islam is just ludicrous, and demonstrates a clear lack of intellect on the part of anyone posing such a preposterous idea.

polytheist and jews were there before muslims and if the basics of islamic history don't teach you this it isn't worth of learning as history, maybe as fairy tales.

BTW, I did not say that military battles are non violent or that they are not part of a conquest, you on another hand claimed how peaceful islam conquest was. This demonstrates a clear lack of intellect in islamic (or is it just yours?), writings about history.

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Reply #73 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 8:15pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 14^th, 2009 at 6:26pm:

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Are you attempting to impose the jihadi rules of engagement of tribal nomads 1400 years ago on people of modern nation states with clearly defined borders?
Yes, you are.

I am?

Where?

Here:

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Also just out of curiosity can you name a single nation/empire/civilisation that didn't have a few battles in it's first coupla centuries of existence? It's nothing out of the ordinary at all. It would've simply been impossible not to. The idea that there should be no battles in the history of Islam is just ludicrous, and demonstrates a clear lack of intellect on the part of anyone posing such a preposterous idea.

You are slyly trying to justify Islam's ongoing and current bloody borders on the basis of what the Arabs did 1400 years ago and have not stopped, regardless of nation states coming into existence in the meantime. Islam will always have bloody borders and it it will not stop fighting until it is either strangled or it conquers the world.

Take the Israelis. They declared their country, as voted to them by the UN. and that would have been the end of the matter, no battles. Except your lot attcked it on day one. So there's one modern country, with declared borders, that did not need to fight battles was it not for your coreligionists.

East Timor is another. It only had to fight defensive battles against your mob.

Australia and NZ -heard of them? - had the great good fortune of not needing to fight themselves into existence. (Luckily they were not bordering a Muslim-ruled entity, eh?)

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Re: Jihad for Kids, Birds of Paradise
Reply #74 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 8:22pm

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BTW, I did not say that military battles are non violent or that they are not part of a conquest, you on another hand claimed how peaceful islam conquest was. This demonstrates a clear lack of intellect in islamic (or is it just yours?), writings about history.

You show lack of intellect insane infidel. In the overwhelming majority of cases, Islam entered new lands because they were invited for a cup of tea with the rulers who then, after tea, agreed to destroy their whole culture, burn their libraries and convert to Islam voluntarily.

In any case where muslims were violent, it was only when the evil Christians/Jews/Hindus/Buddhists attacked them ferociously without provocation, and the muslims were required to defensively bring about a war of conquest where they moved into their attackers land and raped all their women.

I hope this corrects your historical misunderstanding, infidel.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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