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Creeping Sharia and Nigeria - A Salient Lesson
Jul 12th, 2009 at 3:37pm
 
Nigeria's North is now under sharia rule, and the Christians flee sharia states to the Christian South. How much longer before Nigeria is at civil war because (for very very good reasons..of course) the mosque speakers blare the call to Jihad.

This video talks about the rise of Sharia in Nigeria.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c6_1247205700

If you ever get the opportunity to speak to a Nigerian Christian, do so. Ask them about what it was like to live with Muslims. Under the military dictatorship, no problem. The muslims were good neighbours and friends. Just like here..multiculti works so well.

Once the military dictatorship was gone, the mullahs were back, jihad was called, and the path to intolerant dictatorial sharia was on again. And then the same 'moderate' muslims were killing their christian neighbours that they were once friends with.

That will be here soon if we do not watch out, with collections of muslim communities demanding to be ruled only by sharia law, or else.
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 3:59pm
 
Zealots of the religious, ethnic, cultural or political kind, value the form of blind subservience to dogma over the greater good. They invariably do a 'deal with the devil' to achieve their intended outcome, which is always a 'hell on earth' to be suffered by all.
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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 5:25pm
 
How terrible, a Muslim country wants to implement Shari'ah.

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Sharia law, used only in the predominantly Muslim north of the country. It is an Islamic legal system which had been used long before the colonial administration in Nigeria but recently politicised and spearheaded in Zamfara in late 1999 and eleven other states followed suit.
Wikipedia:Nigeria

So you're only about 300 years too late... Nevermind, better luck next time Calanen, but remember the early bird..
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 5:54pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 5:25pm:
How terrible, a Muslim country wants to implement Shari'ah.

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Sharia law, used only in the predominantly Muslim north of the country. It is an Islamic legal system which had been used long before the colonial administration in Nigeria but recently politicised and spearheaded in Zamfara in late 1999 and eleven other states followed suit.
Wikipedia:Nigeria

So you're only about 300 years too late... Nevermind, better luck next time Calanen, but remember the early bird..


I could write that your mother is Donald Duck on Wikipedia. So what. Nigeria is not an Islamic country. The Northern states are Islamic, the South is not, and the Federal government is a democracy. Half the country is not Islamic.

And yes the implementation of sharia anywhere is terrible, because it is medieval barbarity in the modern era. Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm
 
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Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.


You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Same deal with death penalty in the U.S. and other nations.

Islam sees punishment as a deterrent, but it's not much of a deterrent when it's a simple few days of community service, a fine, or even a caution, is it?
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:04pm
 
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Nigeria is not an Islamic country.


Islam _IS_ the largest religion there. Sorry.
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:31pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:04pm:
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Nigeria is not an Islamic country.


Islam _IS_ the largest religion there. Sorry.


So what. It's not a 'muslim' country. There are huge numbers of Christians and Animists who dont want to be ruled by sharia, and its a secular democracy. The only reason sharia is in the north is because allah akbar jihad people rioted and killed until they got what they want, which they do everywhere, and which they will do here if they are not stopped.
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:35pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm:
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Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.


You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Same deal with death penalty in the U.S. and other nations.

Islam sees punishment as a deterrent, but it's not much of a deterrent when it's a simple few days of community service, a fine, or even a caution, is it?


Chopping someone's arm off for theft is not 'justice' it is a disproportionate and barbaric penalty that belongs in the middle ages. The death penalty for heinous crimes in the United States does not justify the amputation of limbs for theft, nor the use of flogging for so called moral and religious crimes.

Whether it's a great idea or not, we don't want it here. Ever. And the streets will be awash with blood if anyone tries to bring sharia into this country.
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:52pm
 
So let me get this straight...

When Muslims are minorities in other countries, they can't live by their own law/system (that's fair enough)

But also when Muslims are majorities in their own countries, they also can't live by their own law/system, because you (on the other side of the world) say they can't?

As you can imagine you'd say to someone who tried to dictate to you what you should implement in your own country... shove it.
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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 8:42pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:52pm:
So let me get this straight...

When Muslims are minorities in other countries, they can't live by their own law/system (that's fair enough)

But also when Muslims are majorities in their own countries, they also can't live by their own law/system, because you (on the other side of the world) say they can't?

As you can imagine you'd say to someone who tried to dictate to you what you should implement in your own country... shove it.


It's not going to matter to me too much one way or another. The muslims in Nigeria are not the absolute majority, but are roughly equal to those of other religions who do not want sharia.

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There are roughly the same number of Muslims and Christians in a country of 120 million people, which means that Nigeria has one of the largest communities of Muslims anywhere in the world.

     
Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo
President Obasanjo refers to Nigeria as a 'multi-religious' country

Guide to Islam worldwide

Although the majority of the population of Nigeria's northern states are Muslim, there are many Christians living there as well.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3155279.stm

So they only get to impose their law on everyone else with warfare and violence. Roughly half the country doesnt want to be ruled by sharia, and that assumes that *all* the muslims DO want to be ruled by sharia. At least some of them must not wanted to be. Other people do not want to be ruled by sharia, and why should they be with threats and intimidation. There will be civil war in Nigeria for sure.
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Reply #10 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 

yet another deceptive lie exposed.

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Reply #11 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 9:24am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm:
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Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.

You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.

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Reply #12 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 9:55am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 at 9:24am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm:
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Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.

You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.



Has the penny dropped yet for you helian? His loyalties lie elsewhere. He should be stripped of his citizenship and sent packing to join the ummah somewhere else.
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Reply #13 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 10:46am
 
Calanen wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 at 9:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 at 9:24am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm:
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Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.

You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.



Has the penny dropped yet for you helian? His loyalties lie elsewhere. He should be stripped of his citizenship and sent packing to join the ummah somewhere else.

I'm not on that horse... He's wrong on that count.... gravely wrong... But I'm not ready to have him frog-marched to the ship for expressing a wrong opinion.
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Reply #14 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 11:22am
 
helian,

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Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.


There are many many Australians who support capital/physical punishments for a wide variety of crimes, are you suggesting all of them are also promoting something irreconcilable with Australian values or that they are unworthy of being Australians? Some of them also lobby for them to be implemented here. I do nothing of the kind. I merely provided an argument that not everyone thinks community service or fines or a caution are sufficient deterrents for thieves.

I think you're reacting a little strongly here, please re-read my statements.

Some light reading for you:

Capital punishment still has majority support in Australia
Australians expect the Bali bombers to be executed (Wasn't too un-Australian then was it? In fact it was un-Australian to say otherwise)
Facebook group dedicated to reinstating capital punishment in Australia
AFP cooperates in cases leading to application of capital punishment
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