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Christian honour killing
Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:36am
 
I'm sure the nay-sayers will carry on and pretend this is not an 'honour killing' but that's precisely what this is. A man killed his wife for having dishonoured him and slept with his friend. Just because it doesn't have all the cultural dress up and other hype surrounding it, makes it no different.




'Provoked' boat-sex killer jailed


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William Cranston told the court he "lost his rag"


A man who stabbed his partner and his best friend to death after he found them having sex on his canal boat has been jailed for 12 years.

William Cranston was previously cleared of their murders but convicted of manslaughter, by reason of provocation.

The 44-year-old killed Kay Morton, 39, and Paul Wilkins, 55, on a narrow boat in Stoke Hammond, Buckinghamshire in September.

Cranston was sentenced to 12 years by a judge at Kingston Crown Court.

'Remorse genuine'

Judge Anthony Leonard QC told Cranston: "You are responsible for the deaths of two individuals who did not deserve to die at your hands.

"It was clear when you gave your evidence that you showed remorse for what you had done and I felt that the remorse was genuine.

"I take into account that you tried to administer first aid as they lay in the cabin."

But he said the 12 year sentence was a necessary reflection of the "seriousness" of the two killings, Cranston's "short fuse" and the "sustained" attack he inflicted on Mr Wilkins.

At Cranston's trial last month Reading Crown Court heard how he, Ms Morton and Mr Wilkins had been drinking at a nearby pub before returning to the narrow boat where they continued drinking and smoking cannabis.

Cranston went to bed but later woke up to find his partner and friend having sex.

'Lashed out'

He told police after the stabbings: "Paul jumped up and came towards me.

"I can't remember picking up the knife. When he came towards me, I just sort of lashed out to find out what was going on.

"Literally five seconds later, they were both on the floor bleeding to death, and I've got a knife in my hand."

The jury had been told Cranston's baby son, Kevin, had died the previous February on the sofa where he discovered the pair.

Cranston told the court: "I can't believe this has happened to everybody. I just walked in there and lost my rag completely."

Cranston, who was handed two 12-year jail terms to be served concurrently, will have time already spent in custody deducted from the sentence.

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Reply #1 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 8:26am
 
CHRISTIAN HONOUR KILLING....  THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

How do you even know they guys a Christian?  Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 8:30am
 
For a start Ben Booby Honour Killings are premeditated.  Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 8:31am
 

You're an idiot abu.

It was a crime of passion.
Honour killings are planned, coldblooded and often involve other family members as co-murderers.
There was no religious bias to this.

Anyway, enough of the pleasantries, what did you think of the letter I wrote and sent ot the minister of immigration ?
So they can ban all islamics from coming here ?
I'll post it again for your response.

Take care
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Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:07am
 
Grendel,

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CHRISTIAN HONOUR KILLING....  THERE IS NO SUCH THING.


Right and there's no such thing as a Muslim honour killing either.

In fact, the Bible is about the only book that even mentions killing for honour, the Islamic texts certainly do not.

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How do you even know they guys a Christian?


Same way you know "Muhammad" or "Ahmad" or "Jamal" is a Muslim if he killed his wife or daughter or whatever for committing a lewd adulterous action.

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For a start Ben Booby Honour Killings are premeditated.


Not true, many of them are done in fits of rage and jealousy, and often under the influence of alcohol... but they're good practising Muslims right? Because their name is Muhammad, they must be.
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Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:12am
 
yOU ARE AN IDIOT.
PARANOID AND DELUSIONAL AND OBVIOUSLY BRAINWASHED.

dO YOU RECOGNISE THIS ABOUT YOURSELF?

I cant recall ever seeing an article headed Islamic Honour Killing...  even though it is true that honour killings do seem prevalent to people of that religion.  Perhaps that is where we and yourself find the connection.

As has been already pointed out to you several times...  an honour killing is different to the example you have posted.

In your sad pathetic attempts to always paint Christianity and its followers in a bad light you once again only show yourself to be delusional.

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Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:42am
 

abu - thanks for highlighting this abhorrant behaviour of muslims.


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    Honor is everything," says  Ahmed, a 52-year-old Palestinian Muslim.
"If a person loses his honor, he becomes like an animal."
The significance of honor among Muslims is complex, especially when compared to Western standards, but in the high-context, collectivist cultures of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, the inappropriate behavior of relatives brings shame to everyone in the extended family.
     Palestinian communities are typically insular. Family members often remain in the same village or neighborhood for their entire lives..........................

............. In the Palestinian communities of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Israel, and Jordan, women are executed in their homes, in open fields, and occasionally in public, sometimes before crowds of cheering onlookers. Honor killings account for virtually all of the murders of Palestinian women in these areas.
     Honor killings occur for a variety of offenses, including allegations of premarital or extramarital sex, refusing an arranged marriage, attempting to obtain a divorce, or simply talking with a man. If a woman brings shame to the family, her male relatives are bound by duty and culture to kill her. "A woman shamed is like rotting flesh," a Palestinian merchant tells me. "If it is not cut away, it will consume the body. What I mean is the whole family will be tainted if she is not killed."
     Among Arabs, marriage is traditionally a family affair, not a personal choice. Girls are often pressured into arranged marriages, while boys are not. "I was forced to marry my cousin," laments a young Palestinian woman. "I hated him. He beat me and humiliated me in front of his family and friends. But what could I do? If I had fled, I would have been killed."............




http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp


wadda goose.
no wonder you are a muslim, prefer to not make your own decisions , do we ?
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:43am
 
wiki...

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Honor killing is the murder of a family or clan member by one or more fellow family members, where the murderers (and potentially the wider community) believe the victim to have brought dishonour upon the family, clan, or community. This perceived dishonor is normally the result of (a) utilizing dress codes unacceptable to the family or (b) engaging in certain sexual acts. These killings result from the perception that defense of honor justifies killing a person whose behavior dishonors their clan or family. Honor killing is mostly widespread in islamic countries or countries with predominantly Muslim population.[1]


Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:

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Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[3]



Oh and in Turkey...  another Islamic country...  where they have moved against Honour Killings...  guess what...  HONOUR SUICIDES are on the rise.  That's where women are forced to kill themselves instead.  Nice little Islamic loophole hey.
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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:20pm
 
Seriously Abu, that is a stretch for any logical person to accept.
It was a crime of passion, no more no less, and to try and pass honour killings as being in the same category, is either a sign that you are deluding yourself, or being less than honest.
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Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:30pm
 
I don;t agree abu, he could have been an atheist, rasta or a Raelian,it doesn't matter it was a crime of passion.
Don't let that deter you in the future tho, if you can find some real Christian honour murders I'd be only to happy to debate and highlight them.
I like to highlight the hypocrisy in all religions equally.
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Reply #10 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:33pm
 
Here is an example of "honour" killing:

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On Thursday, a 20-year-old man stabbed his older sister several times with a kitchen knife and then smashed her head with a rock, an official and reports said.

A criminal prosecutor working on the case said an autopsy was being carried out but the brother had confessed and had been taken into custody.

According to the prosecutor, who wished to remain anonymous because he was not authorised to talk to the press, the woman had spent the last three months in Juwaidah prison for women fearing her life was in danger.

“She had been living in difficult circumstances. Her parents separated 18 years ago. She had family problems and she stayed with her grandparents at her uncle’s house.”

But reports said the woman, a mother of one, had “disappeared” from her house a month ago and that police had found her with a man in an apartment and had taken her into custody.

The brother was called to collect her on Thursday, the prosecutor said, and they returned to the family home in an eastern Amman suburb.

“The brother went out for food and when he returned home, he said he found his sister at the door talking to a man,” the prosecutor said.
The brother confessed that he became enraged and stabbed her, according to the prosecutor....


Spree of honour killings in Jordan

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Reply #11 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:39pm
 
Grendel,

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I cant recall ever seeing an article headed Islamic Honour Killing


Just flick back through this forum, you'll find several that quite clearly claim Muslims have killed their wive's/daughters etc.and that it somehow has something to do with Islam, or in most cases the claim is made that Islam demands or sanctions their behaviour.

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even though it is true that honour killings do seem prevalent to people of that religion.


Those are the only ones you're interested in, that's probably why they seem prevalent. They are also quite prevalent amongst Sikhs, Hindus and Christians. I've posted plenty of statistics on here about honour killings in Christian Italy and South America. You're simple not interested in the full picture, but just that part of the picture which you think justifies your xenophobic hatred of Islam.

sprintcyclist,

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abu - thanks for highlighting this abhorrant behaviour of muslims.


The only thing you highlighted there is that Muslims are honourable people. I agree. It doesn't say anything about killing wives and daughters though for sexual mishaps.

mozza,

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Seriously Abu, that is a stretch for any logical person to accept. It was a crime of passion, no more no less,


So if a Muslim stabbed his adulterous wife and the adulterer to death, it'd be an honour killing, but if a Christian does it, it's a "crime of passion"? What kind of bollocks are you peddling here mozza? It's a revenge/jealousy/jhonour based murder, nothing more, nothing less. Painting it as an act of "passion" is truly bizarre, what's passionate about driving a sharp blade into people because of the rage and anger he felt from being betrayed? He seems to have suffered all the same emotions as any Muslim, or Hindu or Sikh etc. who takes the law into his own hands and punishes those who anger, betray and dishonour him through their treacherous and dishonourable acts.

So in short, he's acting on the same emotions, over the same kinds of events, and the outcome is exactly the same, dead adultress... but it's not the same right? Since one is a Muslim and there's a whole cultural-buzz word for when a Muslim or Sikh or Hindu does it, whilst the other is just a normal everyday Western Christian, so it's just an "act of passion".

You people are living in an alternate plane of existence, really..
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Reply #12 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:47pm
 
Oh dear....  why don't you list em then aboo...  save me doing your work for you.

This is not an honour killing...  it was explained to you why.

I know someone whose sister was killed by her father...  they weren't Muslim.  I considered that an honour killing.

I know about Italians and other latinos who have done such things in the past but you don't see it happening these days with the frequency it happens in Islamic groups.

As for me being interested in them...  I'm not interested in them at all.  I deplore them.  I deplore people killed for being in love due to some religious crap, whether it be Islam or Catholicism.

Hate to tell you this again...  but you are the one living in another plane of existence.  The paranoid delusional plane.
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Reply #13 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:49pm
 

abu - one of the victims "crimes" was Quote:
he found his sister at the door talking to a man,
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another was cheating on her husband, the third has been raped.

I don't think any of these actions warrant murder.

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......that Muslims are honourable people.......

I don't see any honour in killing a woman who has been raped.

neither do almost anyone else on this globe. do you?



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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 1:20pm
 
http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

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Most "honour" killings of women occur in Muslim countries, the focus of this case study; but it is worth noting that no sanction for such murders is granted in Islamic religion or law.


It seems that muslims are the worse trespassers of own religion and laws. No wonder that allah turned away from muslims.

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