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Reply #30 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:33pm
 
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nd the more lenient sentence provided for honor killings in Islam, reflected in the statutes of Islamic nations, and rooted in islamic law as I have set out.


The statutes in all Muslim countries are mostly based on the European power that colonised them, not on Islam. Like for instance Morocco which is mentioned in Wikipedia:

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Countries that allow husbands to kill only their wives in flagrante delicto (based upon the Napoleonic code) include:
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So these laws come from Europe more than they'd ever come from Islam. Again, you've not produced a single Islamic text that even remotely hints at these barbaric activities. The only law codes that permit them are those implanted in the Islamic lands by the Europeans, and those of some other European (in Eastern Europe) or European-founded countries (like in Latin America).

Your pathetic attempts to stick something to Islam which is completely foreign to it is failing miserably.

Anyway enough of the tu quoque, deflections and distractions and back to the original point which is that this is indeed an honour killing. Whilst it would be very rare for a Western Christian to kill his daughter in such a "crime of passion" that's more to do with the fact that Western men no longer have much care about what their daughters do. Most couldn't care less how many men their daughters have sex with, so it's unlikely they'd become enraged over them committing adultery. Whilst Muslims and many other cultures still care for such things.
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Reply #31 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:52pm
 
Perhaps you should ask yourself why is it prevalent in Islamic groups and countries Abu.  
Then why does not being a muslim prevent these acts if they are considered wrong in Islam.
What part of the Koran or Islamic teaching or culture enables/allows this behaviour.
is it part of Sharia?
Does the seemingly natural mysogyny of islam promote it.
What is "awrah" and are women the equal of men in Islam?
If it is not sanctioned by Islam why aren't the perpetrators killed?
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Reply #32 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:56pm
 
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a Western Christian to kill his daughter in such a "crime of passion" that's more to do with the fact that Western men no longer have much care about what their daughters do.


Yes because killing your daughter really shows that you care.

Abu Rashid has always been a crazy extremist wackjob, but now he has really 'jumped the shark.'



The tu quoque was with you labelling this as an honor killing, to deflect attention from the routine honor killing occurring in Islamic places.

And now you've come up with some drivel about it being European law that has sanctioned honour killing and imposed these laws on the Islamic world. No doubt with Mossad agents drafting the legislation.

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Reply #33 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:19pm
 
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Perhaps you should ask yourself why is it prevalent in Islamic groups and countries Abu.


Isslam is one of the largest most widespread religions, so the fact it exists in countries Muslims live in, isn't so surprising. Also the fact many Muslim-majority countries have descended into heavy tribalism over the last century or two probably contributes somewhat as well. Anyway I still don't think it's quite as prevalent as you'd like to believe.

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Then why does not being a muslim prevent these acts if they are considered wrong in Islam.


Why does it not prevent drugs? or alcohol? or people not covering their awrah? or people taking interest loans? Quite obviously because Islam is no longer the ruling system in those countries anymore, it has no authority to prevent such things.

Why does Communism not prevent Russia from falling prey to Capitalist pressures today? Because Communism is no longer the ruling system there, and therefore has no power to prevent or implement anything. Woulda thought that one would be logical?

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What part of the Koran or Islamic teaching or culture enables/allows this behaviour.
is it part of Sharia?


No, and no... just missed about 20 posts of this thread did you?

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What is "awrah" and are women the equal of men in Islam?


Awrah is the Arabic word for nakedness.

Women are not the equal of men, and neither are men the equal of women. They simply are not the same, and this is a biological fact you cannot escape.

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If it is not sanctioned by Islam why aren't the perpetrators killed?


All Muslim countries are ruled by tyrannical little Western puppets who implement what they want, not what Islam wants. When Islam rules there again, then you're quite welcome to post such arguments, until such a day, such arguments are nothing but folly.
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Reply #34 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:41pm
 
Nice dodge on a couple there Abu...  I won't bother with stuff you try to avoid.

So are you saying now that it is not Islam that is the problem its the people who call themselves Muslims?
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Reply #35 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 11:44pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:19pm:
Women are not the equal of men, and neither are men the equal of women. They simply are not the same, and this is a biological fact you cannot escape.



You sound positively post-feminist - until we remember that what you can't bring yourself to saying is that in Islam women are simply half men. Yet you are still terrified of them.

Muslims kill their daughters not because they care for them but because they care more about what the neighbours think. And that matters because they have always been tribal and so marriage is, as always, a matter of alliance, clan loyalty and business. They kill not their daughter but their 'spoiled' asset to prove that they strong and worthy of continued respect and inclusion in the clan.


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