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Reply #15 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:26pm
 

calanen - yes, that's been my experiences also.
The next response is to silence you. By whatever means.
That part's immaterial.
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Reply #16 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:36pm
 
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Abu will never agree with anything I say, no matter how reasonable, well argued, coherent, well sourced, proven and legitimate.


I doubt we'll ever get a chance to test that one  Grin

Your 'arguments' consist of cutting and pasting youtube videos from here and there, of people who've been under a 60 year siege and military occupation, and then slotting it into the context of NATO propaganda, that was _clearly_ designed to deflect the heat they were copping over the civilian deaths.

You're a very amateur spokesman for abhorrent atrocities against unarmed civilians. Simply because "I have to support my country".
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Reply #17 - Jul 31st, 2009 at 7:20am
 
So given that these claims are true Abooo...  shouldn't you be off to see a psychologist?
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Reply #18 - Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:43pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:36pm:
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Abu will never agree with anything I say, no matter how reasonable, well argued, coherent, well sourced, proven and legitimate.


I doubt we'll ever get a chance to test that one  Grin

Your 'arguments' consist of cutting and pasting youtube videos from here and there, of people who've been under a 60 year siege and military occupation, and then slotting it into the context of NATO propaganda, that was _clearly_ designed to deflect the heat they were copping over the civilian deaths.

You're a very amateur spokesman for abhorrent atrocities against unarmed civilians. Simply because "I have to support my country".



Well, since yours is Muslim propaga... err I mean independant Muslim media source, then it's gotta be correct. Because they'd never lie, to soothe their people's consciences for being responsible for murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in their own country...

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Re: Children used as suicide bombers - Taliban
Reply #19 - Aug 1st, 2009 at 8:57pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:06pm:
It is an important lesson in the mindset of Islam:

'Never back down, ever,'

So there is no point in discussing things with muslims, they never make even the slightest concession, they will just jump from excuse to new excuse. Realise this is their mindset, and you are a long way to understanding them.

While we constantly have people 'supposedly' on our side criticising our society, they almost have no one criticising them. There are a number of reasons for this, the first is that being a muslim that criticises other muslims may lead to you being killed - the second is this idea of never take a backward step, die on the battlements, concede nothing to infidels ever.

But it's never Abu I would try to convince. I couldn't convince him at gun point. It's the lurkers watching I want to convince by slaying his arguments. Abu will never agree with anything I say, no matter how reasonable, well argued, coherent, well sourced, proven and legitimate.

Remember that, and you have learnt lesson 1 of understanding Muslims.





For some reason, moslems cannot hear TRUTH.

To their mind ISLAM is correct, ONLY moslems are 'rightly guided', by ISLAM,
....and non-moslems are always 'guilty', and
wrong
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Moslems are engaging in, have embraced, a philosophy of denial of reality, and TRUTH.

Part 067 - Dilemma of Muhammadan Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dd7adRI5q4

Part 188A - Islam's Culture of DENIAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSXMuJMuUH0

Part 188B - Islam's Culture of DENIAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWmy1BHZTTY








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John 8:38
I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39  They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40  But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41  Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42  Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.




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According to abu Christians are 'intolerant', and intolerance, is the 'fruit' of Chistianity.

Here, abu whines, about the intolerance of Christians,

"By their fruits shall ye know them... is it not?"

"UK Police Must Wear Scarf in Mosques"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1248858366/10#10



abu,

TALKING OF FRUITS....


An 'old' news report....

18 April 2007
Up to 200 killed in Baghdad bombs
Nearly 200 people have been killed in a string of attacks in Iraq's capital, Baghdad - the worst day of violence since a US security operation began.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6560589.stm


And today, 2009-Aug-01, a 'new' news report....

Bombs explode in multiple Shia mosques in Bagdad, Iraq, dozens [of moslems] killed.

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

abu,

Who's bombs exploded in those six mosques?

Moslem bombs, set by devout moslems.

Moslem bombs, killing moslems.

And yet, all the while, the Jihadists [the REAL moslems!] and their apologists, falsely accuse non-muslims, and the 'West', of being The Great Satan, and of being an enemy, which moslems must make war with, and defeat...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Satan




Sat, August 26, 2006
When Muslims kill Muslims
By SALIM MANSUR
The most famous massacre in Muslim history by armed might of the state took place at Karbala...
Husayn's male companions were slaughtered by the army of Yazid, the caliph (Islam's supreme ruler), while women and children in the company of Husayn, including his wife and daughter, were abused and carried as war trophies to the capital of the expanding Arab-Islamic empire in Damascus.
......Karbala is a necessary reminder of Muslims being unequalled tormentors and killers of Muslims......
......Nor is Iraq the only place where Muslim violence against Muslims rages unabated. There is Darfur in Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Algeria until recently, and hotspots in Iran, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria, Uzbekistan, Palestine, Morocco, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Mansur_Salim/2006/08/26/1777155.html




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Proverbs 1:22
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
....
29  For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30  They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31  Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.


Fruits abu, fruits.


Quote:
"Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices."




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Children used as suicide bombers - Taliban
Reply #20 - Aug 2nd, 2009 at 3:29am
 
Moslems, ISLAMISTS, cannot see their own hatred, and wicked actions, justified.

Or, perhaps in a lucid moment, they do see ???,
....but their philosophy, such as it is, will never allow them to acknowledge their 'fault'.



Moslems, innately, despise all legitimate reproof, and criticism, of themselves, of ISLAM,
....from those who do not believe as they do.

To the moslem, deceit, is seen as virtuous cunning [against their 'enemy'].

And the violence visited against those who do not believe as they do, is justified, by their own 'law'.

ISLAM, teaches all of those men who fall under its influence, how to become [actual] pathological entities, in their dealings with all of those, who do not believe as they do.

ISLAM, is a human sickness, and disease.
....infecting the soul?








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Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.


Psalms 36:1
The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.
2  For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful.
3  The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.
4  He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil.


Proverbs 30:12
There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.







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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #21 - Aug 2nd, 2009 at 4:00am
 
There is a moral chasm between our Christian based [and now abandoned?] culture, and ISLAMIC culture.

And that [chasm] is the essential problem we face, in confronting ISLAM.

And we must
, confront ISLAM.
....if we still want to call ourselves, define ourselves, as human beings.
....as essentially, moral creatures.


Dictionary,
moral = =
1 concerned with the principles of right and wrong behaviour and the goodness or badness of human character.
2 adhering to the code of behaviour that is considered right or acceptable.



Will we face up, to our 'burden'?




Shame vs. Guilt
Islamic cultures are shame based. Shame is a painful experience. To avoid shame you have to hide the source of shame. This means you must protect the image. Your entire self esteem and self worth depends on that image. When you are shamed you become violence. Violence is one way we humans deal with shame.
.......The Western culture, is guilt based. Westerners do not do wrong because of guilt. The Eastern culture is shame based. For us Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us. 
The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty. 
If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image. The opposite of shame is honor. You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person.  In a shame based culture, wrong and right have no meaning.  It is all about shame and honor.  If the stain of shame is removed, even if it means the murder of your own daughter, honor is restored.  These are two very different worldviews. Unless we understand them we will not be able to make sense of Muslims and their minds. 
Shame based cultures are primitive. All Eastern cultures are shame based even when they are not Islamic. Japanese culture, for example, is, or it has been, a shame based culture. Our Persian culture is also shame based. Proverbs like “I keep my cheeks rosy with slaps,” are telltales of a shame based culture, where image is more important than facts. This proverb says that I may be starving but my pride does not allow me to let anyone know it so I slap myself to keep my cheek rosy. Because poverty is the source of shame as long as I hide my poverty, I have preserved my honor.   
Islam is a fear based philosophy that has taken root in a shame based milieu. This is a very dangerous combination. When you combine fear and shame moral codes, you give birth to the most insidious ethos imaginable. That is Islam. Islam is an illogical doctrine that is based on fear and is defended through honor. This makes Islam more dangerous than Nazism. Muslims are not concerned about the irrationality of Islam or about good or evil. They are mostly concerned about losing face and upholding the image of Islam. 

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017530.php#c428023
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm
http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/How-to-Beat-Jihad.htm



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