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Reply #15 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 12:20pm

What is Grendel wrong about Mozz? Come on... fess up.

I'm interested to hear something FACTUAL for a change.

Not just blind blinkered bias.

Come on Mozz not gonna wait all day for you...

All I've done so far is ask a question about Muslim faith and point out to Aboo that LET does not equal LEFT.

This is yet another anti-Christian beat up by Aboo Ben Booby using some individual Christian Fundie as an example of all Christians. Tallow merely and correctly pointed out Muslims and their cultural beliefs do far worse to their children and the results of which effect far more than those individuals.

So come on blowhard... fess up where was I wrong??????????????? Cheesy

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Reply #16 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 1:49pm

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using some individual Christian Fundie as an example of all Christians

How terrible of me to condemn a whole community/religion based on the misguided actions of a few... I should refrain from doing this in future, thanks for pointing out the error in my ways Grendel, I'm sure glad you were here to remind me that judging billions of people by the actions of a few is wrong...

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Reply #17 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 2:50pm

abu - I guess that comes down to if his action was a command of the original leader of that belief, if others of that belief supported his actions, if that action had often happened before with others of that following, if the original leader had done that action himself !! etc, etc , etc.

One needs discernment.
In this case, not much discernment though.

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Reply #18 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 6:05pm

sprint,

There's actually entire sects of Christianity that don't believe in modern medicine. There's still others who reject blood transfusions and organ donations etc. So I'd say there's plenty of evidence to suggest this anti-medicine attitude is not an isolated incidence.

There are also some Biblical passages which tend to support this guy's position:

2 Chron. 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease [was] exceeding [great]: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

James 5:13-15 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

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Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying
Reply #19 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:01pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 2:50pm:

abu - I guess that comes down to if his action was a command of the original leader of that belief, if others of that belief supported his actions, if that action had often happened before with others of that following, if the original leader had done that action himself !! etc, etc , etc.

One needs discernment.
In this case, not much discernment though.

Children mutilation is more islamic then anybody else.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying Reply #20 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:04pm abu_rashid wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 6:05pm: sprint, There's actually entire sects of Christianity that don't believe in modern medicine. ... There is entire muslim sect that worship a rock
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying Reply #21 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:24pm Anyone who worships a rock is not a Muslim. Clear & simple.
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Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying
Reply #22 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:31pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:24pm:

Anyone who worships a rock is not a Muslim. Clear & simple.

Yes there are only few real muslims who submitted to the will of Allah and welcomed return of Jews to Israel.
Actually that explains why most of false muslims are getting beaten all the time like in ME and in Afghanistan.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying Reply #23 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:43pm Quote: are getting beaten all the time like in ME and in Afghanistan Even the righteous suffer defeat.
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Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying
Reply #24 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:51pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 7:43pm:

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are getting beaten all the time like in ME and in Afghanistan

Even the righteous suffer defeat.

Yes, some righteous US soldiers die in Afghanistan and even some righteous Israelis die from hamas rockets but when one looks at casualty ratio of righteous and their opponents it becomes obvious whose side is supported by Allah.

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Re: Christian left his daughter to die whilst praying
Reply #25 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 8:16pm

Abu - yes there are passages in the bible that encourage people toward healing by faith.
Some sects do extrapolate that to what the dad did in the beginning of this thread, others refuse blood transfusions.

I don't believe that is what is intended in the bible.
Jesus did not say to refuse medical help.
Nor does it say that anywhere in the bible.
The bible really should be read in its entirity, then issues like this can be apportioned their relevance.
Some sects are led by charismatic people who major on a few issues within the bible.
They are not wrong, but their weighting of importance is skewed.

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Reply #26 - Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 9:03pm

yes Aboo... it is terribly WRONG of you.
However there are a great many more muslims that support terrorism and war and hatred of the west than Christian fundamentalists that through error cause the death of their child.

Apples and elephants abooo... can you tell the difference.

You have countries full of fundamentalist muslims.

maybe you should move to one.

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