Well, home grown terrorists?
Or, imported terrorist extremists?

This morning, hundreds of police raided homes in melbourne to take into custody, somali, and lebanese, Islamist extremists, accused of plotting terror attacks in australia, with local military bases reportedly suspected as their targets.

Unfortunately this will see the more racist elements getting hyped up about banning muslims again, but that aside, it is a worry that these wackos think they can bring their violence here, and then be allowed to stay.

Any with "Dual" citizenship, as many Lebanese do, should have their aussie citizenship revoked, and be deported.
All who are not citizens, should be deported.

We only want decent, peaceful people to come to australia, and we need to get that message out, loud and clear.

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This really shows us that the facade around the definition of terrorism is beginning to crack wide open doesn't it.

NATO troops firing on and murdering dozens of civilians at a time, is _not_ terrorism, yet Muslims alledgedly plotting to target an army base _is_ terrorism... interesting. About the only factor which seems to change in those two cases, is whether Muslims are the victims or the perpetrators... So Muslim civilian victims are collateral damage, or regrettable casualties, or even human shields, if we really wanna open up the propaganda taps and get the bovine faeces flowing, whilst Muslim perpetrators are always terrorists...

Interesting indeed.

First define for me what terrorism means. I was under the impression it referred to attacks on civilians...

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 4^th, 2009 at 2:52pm:


Its definition has changed somewhat since the 9/11 bombings, but it basically means to commit mindless violence in the name of some ridiculous god/objective.

That's what those people arrested this morning were going to do, kill innocent people , for what?

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If convicted then yes they'd be traitors to a country they vowed allegiance to, and I'm sure they'll be more than adequately punished for that.

That doesn't have much to do with the unravelling of the term 'terrorism' which we're seeing from this event though...

Isn't that contrary to Australian law Calanen?

Are you promoting something that's clearly against Australian values/laws?

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Well they probably consider them to be equivalent actions. I don't imagine it's just a random thought, they most likely planned it as a retaliation for that. So probably not quite as removed as you'd like to think.

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Good, and I'm sure a lot of Muslims don't agree with the alleged activities either. Probably more Muslims don't agree with these alleged actions than non-Muslims who don't agree with the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions/occupations.

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That doesn't really say much other than "Well we turned their country into a wartorn hellhole, so now it's legitimate for us to kill them there, but not for them to do it to us in our nice safe, secure, peaceful country".

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Well I really don't know how they see themselves, but I do know the whole "our soldiers wear uniforms, theirs don't" justifications are wearing a little thin. Covert Western soldiers do NOT wear uniforms, and often operate in disguise, that's part of war. No army/operative/soldier in it's right mind would stand out in the middle of an open field and broadcast it's location and say "Look we're real geneva-convention-abiding soldiers who wear uniforms and don't hide or take cover or operate covertly". Of course when your army is big enough and well equipped enough, you can provide the illusion that you do that, but on the ground it's just not the case. It's just not the smart way to operate in a battle situation.

Grendel wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 1:33am:



Grendel,

Thats a nice sentiment.

But you are labouring under some misapprehension.

We Australians, are the 'pushovers', they think we are!





And this [these sort of people, terrorists] is what we get, because over many years, we have corrupted ourselves.

Once we were people who had respect for good principles, above selfish interest, and profit.

But those days are gone, and we have sold our souls.

When good men tolerate evil in their midst, those men will become evil, themselves.





"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind...."