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Reply #15 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:06am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:01am:

That advice woulda best been delivered to the U.S about 8 years ago, when they called for their government to invade and slaughter so many Muslims in retaliation.

Or are these pearls of wisdom only aimed at Muslims?

That advice woulda best served those charged in Melbourne with conspiracy to commit murder.

If their intent was to protest against the war to raise awareness of the suffering it causes... They've failed in the worst possible way. All they've done is further harden the resolve of Australians and increased popularity for Australian involvement in the wars.

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Reply #16 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:18am

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That advice woulda best served those charged in Melbourne with conspiracy to commit murder.

As I thought... Muslims being butchered by the hundreds of thousands, stay calm, send an email off to your local MP. Westerners killed in a fraction of the number, we have to turn the whole world upside down to exact "infinite justice".

Keep your advice.

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If their intent was to protest against the war to raise awareness of the suffering it causes...

It seems their intent was exactly the same as that of the U.S and other Western countries in the aftermath of 9/11. Would you have offered the same advice to them? Or in the aftermath of Bali or the recent Jakarta bombings?

I doubt it. Look helian, why are you wasting my time and yours, when you're not even prepared to put Muslim deaths on the same scale, when they're even in such a huge multiple of the other side... Perhaps that's precisely why you refuse to put them on the same scale, as deep down you recognise they'd instantly tip it over.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack Reply #17 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:22am Then take up arms, Abu... Commit murder in the streets of an Australian city in protest against the wars. I'm sure your disgraced family, with a name change and the obliteration of your memory from their minds, will get by.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack Reply #18 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:35am Only an extremist sees no in between. Either fully support Australia committing all sorts of chaos in the world, and close your eyes to the potential repercussions it could cause us. Or take up arms and wage war against the state...
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Reply #19 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:37am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:35am:

Only an extremist sees no in between. Either fully support Australian committing all sorts of chaos in the world, and close your eyes to the potential repercusions it could cause us. Or take up arms and wage war against the state...

You mean take up arms against one's own countrymen (commit murder) in protest against war.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack Reply #20 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:38am I didn't mean anything. You're the desperado resorting to such ridiculous fantasies, to actually avoid discussing the realities of the situation.
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Reply #21 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:41am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:38am:

I didn't mean anything.

You're the desperado resorting to such ridiculous fantasies, to actually avoid discussing the realities of the situation.

The reality is, those arrested allegedly conspired to take up arms against their own countrymen (to commit murder) in protest against war.

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Reply #22 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:01pm

The use of the term 'protest' is really pushing it helian. As if to indicate they were just doing it because they merely disagreed with an opposing political view. I'd say they're probably driven by revenge, retaliation and perhaps even personal hatred. Someone who merely disagrees with the war, would not do such a thing.

As I've made it plain to you already, they're probably driven by exactly the same feelings/motives as Americans after 9/11. You won't let yourself explore that possibility, since you probably believe Americans were somewhat justified in feeling that way, whilst these traitors are not.

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Reply #23 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:05pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:01pm:

The use of the term 'protest' is really pushing it helian. As if to indicate they were just doing it because they merely disagreed with an opposing political view. I'd say they're probably driven by revenge, retaliation and perhaps even personal hatred. Someone who merely disagrees with the war, would not do such a thing.

Personal hatred against the state and its people? Then they're potential murderous traitors.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack Reply #24 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:15pm Quote: Then they're potential murderous traitors. It took you this long to work that out?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack Reply #25 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:26pm abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:15pm: Quote: Then they're potential murderous traitors. It took you this long to work that out? No, that was apparent from the first minute.
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Reply #26 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:30pm

Good grief, here’s a list of A FEW of the lies and garbage propagated by Abu.

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“Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack”

NO TERRORISTS INVOLVED.

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“Which by the sounds of it didn't even reach the planning stages?.”

THE AFP CONSIDERED AN ATTACK IMMINENT.

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“If Australia were invaded by China, I'm sure most civilians would take the role of combatant and fight to defend their homes too. That's a human reaction, not a distinctly Muslim one.”

I’M SURE THEY WOULDN’T. ANY SANE PERSON COULD SEE WHY.

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“You're right I can't, anymore than you can prove the thousands of people killed in the WTC on 9/11 were not combatants. Agreed..”

ROT. UNFORTUNATELY COMBATANTS IN AFGHANISTAN DON’T WEAR UNIFORMS OR LIVE IN MILITARY CAMPS. IN FACT THEY MIX AND ARE PART OF THE CIVILIAN POPULATION IN MANY CASES, LIVING AMONGST NON-COMBATANTS. WHEREAS IN THE WEST THERE IS A CLEAR DEMARCATION AND YES… THOSE KILLED IN 9/11 WERE INNOCENT NON-COMBATANTS. I’M SURE ALL SANE PEOPLE WOULD AGREE.

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“I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of our hysteria, and the self-centred egotistical belief that we're the good guys and they're the bad guys. The fact we killed hundreds of thousands of them is completely detached from what's now happening here... or so we'd like to assure ourselves.”

WE? AUSTRALIANS? YOU AR KIDDING RIGHT.

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“Muslims being butchered by the hundreds of thousands, stay calm, send an email off to your local MP. Westerners killed in a fraction of the number, we have to turn the whole world upside down to exact "infinite justice".”

EMOTIVE, EXAGGERATED, CLAPTRAP.

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“It seems their intent was exactly the same as that of the U.S and other Western countries in the aftermath of 9/11. Would you have offered the same advice to them? Or in the aftermath of Bali or the recent Jakarta bombings?”

COUNTRIES WAGE WARS, INDIVIDUALS MURDER. THERE ARE RULES TO WAR, WHICH ARE MOSTLY ADHERED TO AND CIVILIAN CASUALTIES ARE NOT EVER AN AIM. UNFORTUNATELY COWARDS HIDE IN CIVILIAN POPULATIONS IN ISLAM. UNFORTUNATELY CIVILIANS AID AND SUPPORT COMBATANTS IN ISLAM.

AS FOR BALI… WE DIDN’T INVADE BALI OR WAGE WAR AGAINST INDONESIA. IN FACT WE SENT PEOPLE THERE TO HELP THEM
SO MY ADVICE TO THESE IDIOTS IS THAT IF THEY WANT TO FIGHT FOR ISLAM OR WHATEVER THEN THEY GO BACK TO AFGHANISTAN AND FIGHT THERE.

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“Either fully support Australia committing all sorts of chaos in the world, and close your eyes to the potential repercussions it could cause us. Or take up arms and wage war against the state...”

MORE ROT. JUST WHAT CHAOS ARE WE AUSTRALIANS COMMITTING? BTW, NOT EVEN ALL AUSTRALIANS FULLY SUPPORT AUSTRALIAN TROOPS IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN., AND THAT INCLUDES A MAJORITY OF NON-MUSLIMS.

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“I'd say they're probably driven by revenge, retaliation and perhaps even personal hatred. Someone who merely disagrees with the war, would not do such a thing.”

DRIVEN? NO… INSANE AND AS SUCH, PEOPLE WE DON’T WANT HERE.

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Re: Family of 4 murdered in terrorist attack
Reply #27 - Aug 9^th, 2009 at 2:26am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 10:26am:

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Personally abu, i am sorry for, and regret, the loss of life in this example you present

Yeh I'm sure you do. I'm sure it really touches deep into your heart.
And I'm sure it occupied more of your thoughts over the last few days, than the supposed, alleged plan to maybe attack an army base. That's if you actually even bothered to read about it, before I posted it here.

abu,

That is a wicked thing to say, in view of my clear declaration.

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But you cannot prove that these 'civilians', were not combatants.

You're right I can't, anymore than you can prove the thousands of people killed in the WTC on 9/11 were not combatants.
Agreed..

abu,

A scenario.....
If moslems [civilians] living in Australia, actually
attacked an Australian army base, within Australia, the moslems being motivated by the 'struggle' against [the perception of] the oppression of moslems, by Australians, would those moslems, who participated in such an attack, according to ISLAM, be classified as civilians, or combatants?

Are Jihadists who fight in Allah's cause, combatants?
....even if they 'bravely' hide themselves among civilians?

I believe that at one time countries like Australia, in wartime, would unceremoniously shoot [proven] undeclared combatants, as spies.

The Koran...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123

The Hadith...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.0...

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Reply #28 - Aug 9^th, 2009 at 2:55am

Yadda asked....

Yadda wrote on Aug 9^th, 2009 at 2:26am:

abu,

A scenario.....
If moslems [civilians] living in Australia, actually
attacked an Australian army base, within Australia, the moslems being motivated by the 'struggle' against [the perception of] the oppression of moslems, by Australians, would those moslems, who participated in such an attack, according to ISLAM, be classified as civilians, or combatants?

Are Jihadists who fight in Allah's cause, combatants?
....even if they 'bravely' hide themselves among civilians?

I think i've found an answer, as to who ISLAM regards as combatants.....

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"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.
Only between Muslims and unbelievers.
And the life of an unbeliever has no value.
It has no sanctity."

Quote, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, a UK moslem community leader
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Google,
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22We+don%27t+make+a+distinction+between...

AND,

Anjem Choudary - another UK moslem community leader
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Here on YOUTUBE, he explains who is innocent to ISLAM/moslems,

"...when we say innocent people, we mean muslims."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a muslim....i must have *hatred* towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[muslims] allegence is always with the muslims, so i will never condemn a muslim for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

abu,

Don't you find this pretty damning stuff?

Oh right, i forgot, you are a moslem, one of Allah's 'super-people',
......and the slaughter of sub-humans who 'insult' ISLAM [by rejecting Mohammed's death cult], is no crime.

"Ye [muslims] are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency;......"

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110

Teaching moslem children, ISLAMIC values [London].

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