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Aug 6th, 2009 at 10:57pm
 
It's alright, I understand, it's still all the Muslims fault. These guys can't be blamed at all for trying to eliminate Muslims in a modern day crusade, the Muslims forced them to...

And it's not the U.S government's fault for hiring them, just a co-incidence right?



Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims'


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Erik Prince, chief executive of Blackwater, has seen allegations made against him by two former employees, holds a photograph of the remains of a blown up vehicle in Iraq
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Tim Reid in Washington

A series of allegations including murder, weapons smuggling and the deliberate slaughter of civilians have been levelled against the founder of Blackwater, the security company being investigated for shooting deaths in Iraq.

The accusations, including a claim that the company founder Erik Prince either murdered or had killed former employees co-operating with federal investigators, are contained in sworn affidavits lodged at a Virginia court on Monday night.

The company was the most prominent of an army of private security companies employed by the Pentagon and State Department to protect military convoys and guard US diplomats in Iraq.

The accusations against Mr Prince are being made by two former employees, including a former Marine, who have sworn them anonymously as John Doe No 1 and John Doe No 2, because they said they feared for their lives if their identities were revealed.

In one of the statements, John Doe 2, who worked for Blackwater for four years, alleged that Mr Prince “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe” and that his companies “encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life”.

They claimed that Mr Prince and other executives destroyed incriminating videos, e-mails and documents and hid their criminal behaviour from the US State Department.

John Doe 2 claimed in his affidavit that — based on information he said was provided to him by former colleagues — “it appears that Mr Prince and his employees murdered or had murdered one or more persons who have provided information, or who were planning to provide information, to the federal authorities about the ongoing criminal conduct”.

The affidavits are part of a motion lodged by lawyers representing 60 Iraqi civilians who are suing Blackwater for alleged crimes. The five civilian suits were consolidated before a judge in northern Virginia. The motion was in response to a request by Blackwater to dismiss the case.

Blackwater, which lost its multimillion-dollar State Department contract in May, denies the claims and is contesting the lawsuits. No criminal charges have been filed against Mr Prince.

In a statement released to CNN, the company said that it would respond “to the anonymous unsubstantiated and offensive assertions put forward by the plaintiffs” in a brief to be filed on August 17. It added: “It is obvious that plaintiffs have chosen to slander Mr Prince rather than raise legal arguments or actual facts that will be considered by a court of law. We are happy to engage them there.

“We question the judgment of anyone who relies upon and [reiterates] anonymous declarations.” Five Blackwater guards who pleaded not guilty to manslaughter charges are awaiting trial over a shooting incident in Nisour Square, Baghdad, on September 16, 2007, which left 17 Iraqis dead. A sixth guard pleaded guilty.

The John Doe 2 affidavit alleged that Mr Prince intentionally deployed like-minded men to Iraq “who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades”. It stated that Blackwater employees consistently used racist and derogatory terms.

The separate 72-page motion, which cites the affidavits, also accused Blackwater guards of boasting of kills, taking mind-altering drugs, steroids and using child prostitutes.

Mr Prince is accused of smuggling illegal weapons into Iraq on his private aircraft. He is accused of allowing his guards to use illegal exploding bullets “to inflict maximum damage on Iraqis”. He is also accused of racketeering and tax evasion.

The former Marine alleged that numerous incidents of excessive force were videotaped, watched at the end of the day, and then erased.

The affidavits and motion have been posted on the website of the Centre for Constitutional Rights, which is representing the Iraqi plaintiffs.

Blackwater was unavailable to comment to The Times yesterday.

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Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 11:38pm
 
Is that like the global CRUSADE to eliminate all Non-Muslims being waged by Muslims?

No of course not this is again about a minority of the smallest proportions involving a cowboy outfit of bodyguards etc, manned by mercenaries called Blackwater.
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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 12:15am
 
The White Man's Burden
Rudyard Kipling


Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.


Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.


Take up the White Man's burden--
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden,
And reap his old reward--
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard--

The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloak your weariness.
By all ye will or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent sullen peoples
Shall weigh your God and you.

Take up the White Man's burden!
Have done with childish days--
The lightly-proffered laurel,
The easy ungrudged praise:
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers.

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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 7:43am
 
"White mans burden" sounds like white-supremacist garbage to me.

You think the whole world owes you some debt of gratitude for dominating them and pillaging all their resources? Get over yourself. The European empires were nothing but nasty, greedy and unprofessional racist thugs who ruined most of the world that they ever went near. Africa for instance, which was always self-sufficient for all of it's known history has been plunged into nothing but famine, civil wars, genocide and absolute chaos since the "white man" placed his "benevolent" touch on that part of the world. You've completely reduced it to a totally dependant, starving squalor where millions of people die each year because they can't even feed themselves or get clean water to drink (cos it's all filthy from your mining), yes what a lovely legacy, give yourself a pat on the back.
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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 8:17am
 

blackwater does have a suspicous history to it.
Hence they are in court - so the white society does not look kindly upon it at all.

nice diversion abu - but the best countries in africa were the ones run by whites.
Look at Zimbabawe once mugabe got his hands on it.
When blacks get control they kill the other tribes.
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Reply #5 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 9:44am
 
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Look at Zimbabawe once mugabe got his hands on it.
When blacks get control they kill the other tribes.


The "blacks" lived quite happily there for thousands of years, without starving to death, without sinking into such shocking poverty. In fact many parts of Africa, like Somalia, were extremely wealthy trading hubs for well over a millenium under Islamic rule. Since the Colonialists arrived, they've done noting but completely gut the place of any sustainability or economic stability.

If Mugabe is so bad, why was he receiving rewards for feeding the poor? And knighthoods from the Queen? He's bad because he booted the whites out, that's about all. Prior to doing that, he was the darling of the Western world.

And if you look at the history of Zimbabwe, you'll find it was a thriving trade empire until you guessed it, the Europeans arrived. The Portuguese landed in Zimbabwe in the 17th. century and began destroying their international trade and started a series of wars there that ravaged the place, plunging it into darkness. Not a single land on earth that was defiled by the Europeans has been bettered by it. They did nothing but ruin and destroy other cultures and civilisations in order to dominate and feed off them.

For 300-400 years, the Europeans did nothing but grind Zimbabwe into the ground, sure the elite white colonialist class lived a nice luxurious life, by exploiting the resources of the country and keeping the dominated inhabitants in squalor.
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Reply #6 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 10:07am
 

stick to the topic abu.
open a new thread if you wish

I won't be led by your deflection
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Reply #7 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 10:10am
 
My deflection??  Grin

Yeh cos I posted this...

Quote:
The White Man's Burden
Rudyard Kipling


Right.. and now back to planet earth.
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Reply #8 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 6:30pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 7th, 2009 at 7:43am:
"White mans burden" sounds like white-supremacist garbage to me.

You think the whole world owes you some debt of gratitude for dominating them and pillaging all their resources? Get over yourself. The European empires were nothing but nasty, greedy and unprofessional racist thugs who ruined most of the world that they ever went near. Africa for instance, which was always self-sufficient for all of it's known history has been plunged into nothing but famine, civil wars, genocide and absolute chaos since the "white man" placed his "benevolent" touch on that part of the world. You've completely reduced it to a totally dependant, starving squalor where millions of people die each year because they can't even feed themselves or get clean water to drink (cos it's all filthy from your mining), yes what a lovely legacy, give yourself a pat on the back.


You are very good Marxist for a Muslim jihadi.



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Reply #9 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 7:18pm
 
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The "blacks" lived quite happily there for thousands of years, without starving to death, without sinking into such shocking poverty. In fact many parts of Africa, like Somalia, were extremely wealthy trading hubs for well over a millenium under Islamic rule. Since the Colonialists arrived, they've done noting but completely gut the place of any sustainability or economic stability.


The first sentence reveals your total ignorance of the violent tribal lifestyle that africans lived with for millenia.

You then go on  to praise islamic colonialism, but put down white colonialism, as if the difference between christian, or muslim masters would somehow make all the difference.

Apart from slavery, what other great things did the muslims leave as their legacy?


As for that christian loony prince, he ought to be subjected to every behaviour his company is found guilty of.

The christians here find it hard to accept that the loony evangelists are just as evil and stupid as the Islamist loonies, they are all freakin wackjobs, killing and spreading misery for their gods.
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Reply #10 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 8:42pm
 
mozzaok - I am just as against murder from any quarter.
some murders seem to be worse than others,
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Reply #11 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 9:12pm
 
I am sure you are sprint, the problem is that these US evangelists are truly evil bast@rds, and they perpetrate their evil, in jesus' name, and if I was a christian they would be my first priority for people I want to challenge, as I think Islamist extremists should be the top priority for muslims to challenge, because both demean the religion that the decent people believe in.
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Reply #12 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 9:35pm
 
I love it when the progressive left get so confused they forget what the original argument was and end up siding with the real enemy.
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Reply #13 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 10:01pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 7th, 2009 at 9:35pm:
I love it when the progressive left get so confused they forget what the original argument was and end up siding with the real enemy.


Mozz is not stupid. His heart is in the right place. But for an oldish bloke he is way too innocent for his own good. There comes a time to put aside childish things, like group hugs and 'we are the world' equivocations.

Evil half conquered the world in Mozz's father's generations. But the '60s buggered with their sense of perspective and so now they can;t help rebelling against their dads' admirable uneqquivocal stance. I aam sure his kids are not as afraid to call a spade a smacking shovel, with cherries on top, to mix metaphors.

Could be wrong but don't quite see how. Mozz, just because some evil bastards are not pure 100% evil, it does not mean that they should not be resisted and repelled as stiffly as possible. You of all people should not fall for that particular apocalyptic furphy.

I have all the time and interest in the world to talk philosopphy and theology and poetry all the rest of it with Muslims and I will love them for the wisdom and sweetness they would undoubbtedly bring to the discussion.

But when it comes to political Islam, I have nothing but opposition for them.


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Reply #14 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 10:38pm
 
mozza,

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The first sentence reveals your total ignorance of the violent tribal lifestyle that africans lived with for millenia.


Seems you're the one whose ignorance has been revealed. Somalia and Zimbabwe were not violent tribal Africans, they were centres of vast trade empires. Somalia in particular, since it was from the early days part of the Islamic world, which was the centre of all world trade.

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You then go on  to praise islamic colonialism


I didn't go on to praise Islamic colonialism at all, since Islam is not a colonialist ideology. Somalia (Or Banaadir as it was called under Islam) embraced Islam and became part of the Islamic world. There was no colonialism involved.

Better check your definition of colonialism. Just "being there" doesn't make Islam and Christianity equal in the way they interacted with the land, people and society.

Christianity colonised, Islam was embraced. That's why today, after the colonialist Christians have left, the people there are pretty much 100% Muslim, not Christian. Because they became Muslims, Islam didn't just come and rule over them and squeeze them for their resources and land.

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Apart from slavery, what other great things did the muslims leave as their legacy?


Islam didn't leave slavery as it's legacy, so this is a loaded question from the outset.

Besides I've already mentioned some of the greatness that existed under Islam in places like Somalia.

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The christians here find it hard to accept that the loony evangelists are just as evil and stupid as the Islamist loonies


Difference is the Muslim 'loonies' are just reactionaries who are behaving in a certain way because of the threat that looms over them. It is a temporary 'ailment'. For the Christian 'loonies' it's their modus operandi. That's the difference.
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