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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Spiritual words from the Bible Aug 9^th, 2009 at 11:26pm The LORD has done what he planned; he has fulfilled his word, which he decreed long ago. He has overthrown you without pity, he has let the enemy gloat over you, he has exalted the horn of your foes. Lamentations 2:17
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #1 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:23pm "Son of man, set your face against Jerusalem and preach against the sanctuary. Prophesy against the land of Israel. Ezekiel 21:2 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Ezekiel 28:15
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #2 - Aug 12^th, 2009 at 9:31pm This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Give careful thought to your ways. Haggai 1:7
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #3 - Aug 13^th, 2009 at 12:13am Quote: This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Give careful thought to your ways. Haggai 1:7 My aunt Gretal always said that too, and she'd never even read the bible.
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Reply #4 - Aug 14^th, 2009 at 9:19pm

This is what the LORD says to the house of Israel: "Seek me and live;

Amos 5:4

Because I have sinned against him, I will bear the LORD's wrath, until he pleads my case and establishes my right.
He will bring me out into the light; I will see his righteousness.

Micah 7:9

The Sovereign LORD is my strength; he makes my feet like the feet of a deer, he enables me to go on the heights.

Habakkuk 3:19

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #5 - Aug 15^th, 2009 at 10:16am You cannot seriously ask us to make any sense out of that stuff Sprint, can you? I was hoping for some of the good stuff, not the creepy sh1t that evangelists use to justify war and mayhem.
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Reply #6 - Aug 15^th, 2009 at 11:36am

mozzaok - it's a bit esoteric, but there seems to be a line of thought behind it.

In entirely my own thoughts
the first one (lamentations - a depressing book) is a prophecy about Jesus's grim future.

the second - (ezekiel - one of the classic OT prophets) extols Jesus to speak out against Israel. Which he did.
The third (ezekiel again) is why jesus should speak out against Israel.
Israel here may mean the jewish religion, the country or individuals.

4th - gives us advice on a way for us to avoid having Jesus speak out against us. A way to avoid wickedness being inside us, when we started out blameless.

5th - "Seek me and live" gives directions to overcoming internal wickedness
6th - shows what some experience when some people experience Gods presence. ("I have sinned....")
7th - is a person making their choice to continue to seek God and relying on Gods ways to help him/her.

There's really quite a journey in those ones.
funny they have all come from the latter 1/2 of the OT.
Nice there is no "religion" in it.

I've no idea if there is anymore to follow. But I liked this one.
We will see.

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #7 - Aug 15^th, 2009 at 10:13pm He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!" Mark 12:27
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #8 - Aug 25^th, 2009 at 11:47pm This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 1 John 4:10
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Reply #9 - Aug 26^th, 2009 at 8:52am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 25^th, 2009 at 11:47pm:

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

1 John 4:10

But it's not real love, Sprint... It's not like a real father sending a real son into an uncertain future and fate... What you've got there, if you buy the theology, is a divine entity sending a bit of himself to wander around for 33 years, then be reunited with himself... Absolutely certain destiny and a complete guarantee of surviving death. And atone for sins? Who was he trying to appease? Himself?

Where's the big love and sacrifice in that?

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #10 - Aug 26^th, 2009 at 11:15am Good questioning there helian. Many things in the bible don't seem to turn out the way God intended them to. Many people in there do things God wished they would not. I'm not sure it was such a "done deal". Oft a slip betwixt cup and lip. So, what IS a big love and sacrifice ? A soldier going to war ?
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Reply #11 - Aug 26^th, 2009 at 12:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2009 at 11:15am:

Good questioning there helian.

Many things in the bible don't seem to turn out the way God intended them to.

Then are you saying god is neither omniscient nor omnipotent?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2009 at 11:15am:

Many people in there do things God wished they would not.

not omnipotent?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2009 at 11:15am:

So, what IS a big love and sacrifice ?
A soldier going to war ?

Well, as the Bible tells us, apparently "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends (John 15:13)."

But that would be a man... a mortal... not a god.

Although maybe laying down your life for a stranger would be greater...

Greater still (if not plain insanity) would be laying down your life for an animal... say a horse or a cow or maybe a goat.

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #12 - Aug 26^th, 2009 at 3:34pm I don't know if he's omniscient nor omnipotent. But in the OT almost everyone does something God does not approve of. In the NT jesus gets pretty disappointed with people. yes, I'ld put laying down your life for an animal into the insanity box hahhaha
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Reply #13 - Aug 26^th, 2009 at 3:52pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2009 at 3:34pm:

But in the OT almost everyone does something God does not approve of.
In the NT jesus gets pretty disappointed with people.

Doesn't that seem like a paradox to you? God is (generally considered) omniscient and yet Jesus is surprised or disappointed by what people do and say.

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Spiritual words from the Bible Reply #14 - Aug 26^th, 2009 at 4:10pm I saw it more from the human side. The way humans act and react, what makes them do things. Often, though I disagree with what people do, I can see why they did it. At times I can see one of my kids is getting into trouble. Despite my efforts when/if it happens, I'm still disappointed.
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