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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Inventions of the democratic free world Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:45pm Electricity, telephones, cars, vaccines ..........
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #1 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:58pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:45pm: Electricity, telephones, cars, vaccines .......... All 18th / 19th century discovery / inventions... Not a time we'd recognise as all that democratic and free.
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Reply #2 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 4:43pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:45pm:

Electricity, telephones, cars, vaccines ..........

All 18th / 19th century discovery / inventions... Not a time we'd recognise as all that democratic and free.

But a time when ostensibly, Joe & Jane Citizen, had much more respect for their Christian God, attended their parish church, and regularly read their Bible.

It all started to go wrong, when we decided to give women the vote. Shocked

....[i can hear the howls of protest from here!!!!! Grin

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Reply #3 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 5:07pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 4:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 3:45pm:

Electricity, telephones, cars, vaccines ..........

All 18th / 19th century discovery / inventions... Not a time we'd recognise as all that democratic and free.

But a time when ostensibly, Joe & Jane Citizen, had much more respect for their Christian God, attended their parish church, and regularly read their Bible.

Well, there was that anti-religious enlightenment thing going.

Yadda wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 4:43pm:

It all started to go wrong, when we decided to give women the vote. Shocked

....[i can hear the howls of protest from here!!!!! Grin

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And recognised the 'inalienable rights of man',
And taught the bloody working class to read and write,
And implemented the 8 hour working day,
And set those bloody slaves free...

Oh for the good ol' days of serfdom, slavery, the divine right of kings, god, satan, heaven, hell and eternal damnation...

Grin

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Reply #4 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 5:45pm

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But a time when ostensibly, Joe & Jane Citizen, had much more respect for their Christian God, attended their parish church, and regularly read their Bible.

You gotta be kidding Yadda. For the 1700 years that Europe was bible-adhering, your history is known by the term "Dark ages". Prior to adopting Christianity, [Southern] Europe was quite technologically advanced (for it's time) and then when they began rejecting Christianity, they again began advancing. For the entire period in between, they were backwards and in darkness.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #5 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 6:12pm lol Could've been worse we could have adopted Islam and be in the Dark Ages now.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #6 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 6:34pm As has been demonstrated on here before, when society adopted Islam, they technologically advanced in leaps and bounds. And 'co-incidentally' enough, when they moved away from it, they ceased. advancing...
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #7 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 6:49pm The printing press, space ships, airplanes.
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Reply #8 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 6:49pm:

The printing press, space ships, airplanes.

Gee Sprint, you're all over the shop !! The printing press was invented around 1439, although the Chinese originally invented it hundreds of years before that.

Space ships (the shuttle, lunar rockets), airplanes you're getting a bit warmer... Although wasn't it German science under the Nazi government that finally successfully developed the jet engine and rocket science?

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Reply #9 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:04pm

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The printing press..

What is Taught

: Movable type and the printing press was invented in the West by Johannes Gutenberg of Germany during the 15th century.

What Should be Taught

: In 1454, Gutenberg developed the most sophisticated printing press of the Middle Ages. However, movable brass type was in use in Islamic Spain 100 years prior, and that is where the West's first printing devices were made.

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space ships..

Do you consider the Communist USSR to be part of the 'Democratic free world'??

"The first human spaceflight was undertaken on April 12, 1961, when cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin made one orbit around the Earth "

Nevermind sprint, 1 out of 3 ain't too bad Grin

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Reply #10 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:18pm

Oh, those Chinois..

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By AD 593, the first printing press was invented in China, and the first printed newspaper, Kaiyuan Za Bao, was available in Beijing in AD 713. It was a woodblock printing. And the Tianemmen scrolls, the earliest known complete woodblock printed book with illustrations, was printed in China in AD 868; it did not supersede the use of block printing.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #11 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:19pm flushing toilets, classical music, shakespeares writings
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #12 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:27pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:19pm: flushing toilets, classical music, shakespeares writings You're on the turps aren't ya!! Or is it the.... pfffffffttttt.... weed !!!
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Inventions of the democratic free world Reply #13 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:27pm computers
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Reply #14 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 7:30pm

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flushing toilets..

"The people of the Harappan civilization in Pakistan and north-western India had water-flushing toilets in each house that were linked with drains covered with burnt clay bricks." (around 4000 years ago).

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classical music...

Anyone who admits to that would have to be on something.

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shakespeares writings..

Nope, his real name was Sheikh Zubeer and he was an Arab!!

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