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Rudds ETS and the spectre of a double dissolution
Aug 14th, 2009 at 8:55am
 

i don't see the problem with a double dissolution.
Every vote should be taken n its merits.

the senate has given the thumbs down to rudds ETS because it is ineffective, expensive and pointless.
Unless it changes a LOT, it should get the thumbs down again.

Double dissolution, bring it on.
Aust Libs, show some conviction in your thoughts.
Give the ETS the boot again, give a token appearane at the double dissolution election if that is to be the case.
Puts emporer rudd in for the tough years.

Don't sell us out on a ridiculous ETS.
If you are going to lose, be it on your own terms.
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Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 11:00am
 
Lets face it this is all a political scam.
"Climate Change" itself is a farce.  It is just a Convenient Excuse for the UN to force more advanced countries to prop up those less advanced whilst  adversely affecting their way of life.  Making the jealous less well off happy at the expense of others.

The Australian bills should be decoupled.
In fact the ETS Bill should be tossed in the bin.
Anyone seriously wanting to cut carbon emission for real reasons, not fanciful alarmist mythical reasons, should back the research and spread of new technologies and reusable resources.  End of story.  

That is the only way a truthful Government will make any effect on what they claim to fear.
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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 11:40am
 
SOME of what you say is correct boofee.

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should back the research and spread of new technologies and reusable resources.  End of story.  



I do believe climate change is real and a major threat to our future but I think Rudd should see what happens in Copenhagen first.
I don't like the idea of either major party as far as paying so much compensation to the polluters, it would be fine if those polluters put the money into REAL renewable energy but "clean coal" is a joke.
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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 12:26pm
 
You talking to me Skippeeeeee?

All of what I said is true.
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 1:10pm
 
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All of what I said is true


NO, its not. Most of it was a confusionalist rant, but I did give you credit for the one line you wrote that was true.
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:11pm
 
Better than confused rants by yourself then...  the alarmist kind.

Care to prove where I was wrong?
I'll wait.  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 9:42am
 
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Lets face it this is all a political scam.
"Climate Change" itself is a farce.


WRONG, see easy peasy to prove you wrong.
YOU, think its a farce, thank that fictional god that most Aussies have a brain and realise that your stance is akin to believing the world is flat.
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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 10:29am
 
rotflmao  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You are a joke.

prove it!!!!!

You can't can you  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Earth has always had "climate change"

Have you read the UN reasons backing the IPCC and it's push?
No?
Idiot.
Of course it's political.
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 10:48am
 
Can you prove what you believe to be true? come on smart ass, prove that your confusionalist belief is true.
I'm happy to believe what the great majority of people believe and what the great majority of experts say, unlike you, caught up in a confusionalist haze of hate for the planet and its children's future. You're a disgrace, why do you hate the kiddies so much?
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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 11:38am
 
Maybe you should take on a sheep's name Skippeeeee...  you'd make a good Lemming.

Mantra already posted quotes from the UN...  you must have Skippeeeed them as usual or are just in denial about them.  (AS usual)

You have no proof that man-made CO2 is going to cause or is causing the catclisms you believe.  The burden of proof is with you.  None of your "experts" can prove it either.  It is all just conjecture and opinion.

Oh and stop it with your IDIOTIC LIES...   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy wanker.
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Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 12:20pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 16th, 2009 at 11:38am:
Maybe you should take on a sheep's name Skippeeeee...  you'd make a good Lemming.

Mantra already posted quotes from the UN...  you must have Skippeeeed them as usual or are just in denial about them.  (AS usual)

You have no proof that man-made CO2 is going to cause or is causing the catclisms you believe.  The burden of proof is with you.  None of your "experts" can prove it either.  It is all just conjecture and opinion.

Oh and stop it with your IDIOTIC LIES...   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy wanker.


Mantra and I don't always agree on everything bofffeeeeeeeee, tho I'm very interested that you use Mantras name to try and gain some credibility, she is much more credible than you'll ever be.

You're the denialist you say that all the mainstream  experts are wrong bofffeeeeee, the onus is on you to prove the great majority of experts wrong.You are failing dismally.
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Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 6:12pm
 
More huff'n puff without a bit of substance eh Skippeeeeee.

The real denialists are the alarmist like yourself.

Not one piece of proof has ever come forward from your camp on this... all we get is name-calling and ridicule.

Your side claims they cant show proof because there is none that is adequate.

Well yes...  they are totally inadequate, just like their lack of proof.  Just like the UN and IPCC whose agenda is political, not environmental.
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Reply #12 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 8:35am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 16th, 2009 at 6:12pm:
More huff'n puff without a bit of substance eh Skippeeeeee.

The real denialists are the alarmist like yourself.

Not one piece of proof has ever come forward from your camp on this... all we get is name-calling and ridicule.

Your side claims they cant show proof because there is none that is adequate.

Well yes...  they are totally inadequate, just like their lack of proof.  Just like the UN and IPCC whose agenda is political, not environmental.


Ho hum, where is your proof that all the mainstream experts are wrong? You cant can you? .The mainstream experts on climate change say that you are WRONG. I'll stick to the experts, unlike you I'm not into fairy tales.
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Reply #13 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 8:44am
 
ROTFLMAO

Well unfortunately we'll have to wait and in 30 years time you lot will just say...  oh well that's due to "climate change"...  no matter what the weather/climate is like.  what a fraud.  you lot are fairies.
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Reply #14 - Aug 17th, 2009 at 10:03am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 17th, 2009 at 8:44am:
ROTFLMAO

Well unfortunately we'll have to wait and in 30 years time you lot will just say...  oh well that's due to "climate change"...  no matter what the weather/climate is like.  what a fraud.  you lot are fairies.


Well if it is proved to be wrong( million to one chance of that) you and the 12% of confusionalists should be very happy.

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Phillip Coorey, Chief Political Correspondent
August 17, 2009
A MAJORITY of voters supports the Government reintroducing the legislation for its emissions trading scheme in three months, an act that could turn the bill into a trigger for an early, double dissolution election.

The finding is contained in the latest Herald/Nielsen poll which also shows support for Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition has failed to recover from the beating it took when the OzCar affair backfired in June. Mr Turnbull is more unpopular than Brendan Nelson was at this time last year, a month before he was dumped.

And, despite it being firmly entrenched that Peter Costello is resigning from politics, the former treasurer remains the most preferred Liberal leader by far.

Of those polled, 35 per cent back Mr Costello, followed by 19 per cent for Joe Hockey, 17 per cent for Mr Turnbull, 10 per cent for Tony Abbott and 3 per cent for Andrew Robb.

Among Coalition voters, Mr Costello has 42 per cent support followed by Mr Turnbull on 23 per cent and Mr Hockey on 19 per cent.

The poll of 1400 voters was taken from Thursday evening to Saturday night. On Thursday, the Senate rejected Labor's legislation for an emissions trading scheme.

The Deputy Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, stressed yesterday the Government was ''not interested'' in an early election. However, if the Government waits until November to reintroduce the bill, and it is blocked again, it will become an election trigger.

The poll found 55 per cent thought the Government should reintroduce the bill in three months while 29 per cent backed the Coalition's call to wait until early next year ''to see what the rest of the world does''. Twelve per cent wanted the scheme abandoned altogether.

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