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Aug 14th, 2009 at 9:53am
 
Israel troops 'shot Gaza civilians'

Israeli soldiers unlawfully shot and killed 11 Palestinian civilians, including four children, who were in groups waving white flags during the Gaza war, a report prepared by the US-based Human Rights Watch says.

Civilians Killed Holding White Flags in Gaza, published on Thursday, is HRW's third publication in five months condemning Israel's actions during the Gaza conflict, following allegations over white phosphorous and drones.

For its part, the Israeli government appears to have launched a campaign to discredit human-rights groups in an attempt to staunch the flow of damaging evidence of war crimes committed during the Gaza conflict.

It has begun by targeting HRW, as well as a local group of dissident army veterans, Breaking the Silence, which last month, published the testimonies of 26 Israeli soldiers who served in Gaza.

Seven incidents

The "white flags" report published by HRW examines seven incidents during Israel's military offensive in Gaza in January in which soldiers shot and killed 11 Palestinians, most of them women and children, and wounded others.

"The Israeli military should conduct thorough, credible investigations into these deaths to tackle the prevailing culture of impunity," it said.

The HRW said the 11 people were only small fraction of the total number of civilians and combatants killed in the December-January Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip.

"However, these deaths stand out because the civilians were in groups waving a white cloth, T-shirt or scarf, and no Palestinian fighters were in the area at the time," the report said.

"Under the laws of war, individuals who carry out or order deliberate attacks on civilians are responsible for war crimes."

In one of the cases mentioned, two women and three children were standing in front of their home after a soldier ordered them outside.

At least three of them were holding pieces of white cloth when a soldier opened fire, killing two girls aged two and seven and wounding the third girl and their grandmother.

"We spent seven to nine minutes waving the flags, and our faces were looking at them," the grandmother, who was shot twice, was quoted as saying.

"And suddenly they opened fire and the girls fell to the ground."

In five of the seven incidents detailed in the HRW report, Israeli soldiers shot at civilians who were walking down the street with white flags, trying to leave areas of fighting.

Avital Leibovich, a spokesperson for the Israeli army, told Al Jazeera: "When you have reports that are based on Palestinian hearsay and testimonies that we are not sure how credible they are - it raises many questions.

"The allegations in this report is absurd of course, we have evidence showing Hamas armed militants walking around groups holding white flags. We do not shoot children."

Israeli reactions

Mark Regev, an Israeli government spokesman, rejected the latest report.

"We think a lot of their criticism was simply off-base it was simply incorrect it almost was as if it was politically-motivated," he said.

"I think they have an agenda, a political agenda that affects their human-rights work."

Criticising Gerald Steinberg, of NGO Monitor, said: "The release of a third lengthy publication condemning Israel over Gaza within the space of a few months, is reflective of HRW's Israel obsession.

"Its timing, only a week after criticising Hamas, confirms that this was no more than a token attempt by HRW to display artificial balance. If the methodology and ideology repeat past 'reports', this will be more evidence of HRW's moral collapse in promoting the agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah."

Charges rejected

Earlier this month, HRW published a report on the Gaza war in which it said rocket attacks carried out against Israel by Hamas and other Palestinian groups amounted to war crimes.

Israel and Hamas have both rejected accusations of war crimes.

The Israeli military said last month it was investigating incidents in which soldiers allegedly killed civilians holding white flags, but HRW says "Israel's poor record on investigations makes objective probes unlikely.

"Field investigations typically consist of asking soldiers to question other soldiers, without seeking or considering testimony from external witnesses, and taking exculpatory claims of soldiers at face value," the report says of the military investigations.

Bill Van Esselt, from Human Rights Watch, told Al Jazeera: "We are seen unfortunately as an enemy rather than as a critic and that's unfortunate because we are a critic.

"What would be great is if they [Israel] could focus on what we actually say and what we actually do rather than on trying to spin it in a way to make it out as if we're biased, as if we're not being critical equally of governments wherever we see abuses."

The Israeli military is conducting 15 criminal investigations into troop conduct during its three-week offensive on Gaza in which 1,400 Palestinians died, including allegations children were used as human shields.

Israel has said that so far evidence shows troops "pursued legitimate objectives with appropriate precautions," while the Palestinian Hamas group ruling Gaza committed "grave violations of international law."

Source: al-Jazeerah
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Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 9:54am
 
Of course it's a waste of time posting this, since no matter what kinds of atrocities the Israelis committed, they're justified, they're not so bad, or the Palestinians are just numbers, so it doesn't matter to the callous inhuman posters here.
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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 12:37pm
 
Of course, we know what it means when a non-moslem approaches in a combat zone, waving a white flag.



But what does it mean when a
MOSLEM
approaches Jews in a combat zone, waving a white flag?

1/
"Don't shoot! We are unarmed!!"   ???

OR.....

2/
Another attempt at vicious moslem treachery ???






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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gGaop-NUOOA/ReXjEh-rRBI/AAAAAAAAAKg/MxTpSZNi1AE/s320/POSTERS+Boy+suicide_bomber.jpg



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http://www.israelnewsagency.com/palestinian%20terrorism.jpg



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http://josiahe.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/child_suicide_bomber.jpg



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http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/assets/Image/Nieman%20Reports/Images%20by%20Issue/Fall%202002/65p125.jpg





Google images.....
palestinian children bombers
http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=palestinian+children+bombers&btnG=Sea...i
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http://www.israelnewsagency.com/beersheva8.04.jpg
Here above, the typical work of 'innocent', moslem, 'non-combatants'
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 1:10pm
 
Are these the same Bozos that lied about other Israeli "attrocities" that never happened?
hmmmm?
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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 1:24pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 14th, 2009 at 1:10pm:
Are these the same Bozos that lied about other Israeli "attrocities" that never happened?

hmmmm?





Google,
pallywood hoax lies
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=pallywood+hoax+lies&btnG=Search&meta=


Google,
al dura hoax lies
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=al+dura+hoax+lies&btnG=Search&meta=


grendel,

We should't blame moslems.

Moslems can't tell the difference between fiction and TRUTH.
.....its something to do with a moslem education.

Best just to blame non-moslems, for every bad thing that happens to a moslem.
/sarc off


Ah yes,
MOSLEMS DO THAT ALREADY.






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Reply #5 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 1:54pm
 
HRW = = Human Rights Watch

Google,
HRW promotes agenda of Hamas and Hezbollah
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=HRW+promotes+agenda+of+Hamas+and+Hezboll...



The UN Human Rights Commission is stacked with ISLAMISTS
who routinely condemn Israel, for defending itself against human right abusers.

Google,
UN Human Rights commission ISLAMISTS
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=UN+Human+Rights+Commission+ISLAMISTS&btn...


In this world...
BLACK IS WHITE, AND WHITE IS BLACK.
UP IS DOWN, AND DOWN IS UP.


And 'Truth', is what moslems insist it is.




Hell approaches, does anybody, see it coming???






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Re: IDF shot children waving white flags
Reply #6 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 4:26pm
 
Am I the only one who doesn't care about Israel or Palestine here?

Let shifty Jews and Arabs kill each other all they want; it's absolutely no concern of mine.
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Re: IDF shot children waving white flags
Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 9:09pm
 
Well at least part of the confusion was caused by HAMAS waving white flags and hiding behind civilians. Roll the video Pete:

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 9:16pm
 
Really, anyone who can justify shooting down women and little children waving white flags needs to seriously have their head examined.

You people are just sick.

You are supporters of war crimes, end of story.
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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 6:20am
 
Quote:
You are supporters of war crimes, end of story.


I believe combatants hiding behind civilians  who are waving white flags, is also a war crime.

HAMAS keeps none of the rules of war. It hides behind civilians, uses civilians as human shields, rides in ambulances, uses ambulances and medics to ferry weapons. And in addition, here is proof, video proof of a HAMAS terrorist hiding behind civilians waving white flags.

No shame to hide behind the skirts of women. Some 'jihadis'.
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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 10:08am
 
It is terrible to see suffering, anywhere, on any level, but one must keep in mind, that in a war, bad stuff happens.
To try and pretend that muslims own some moral superiority is so ridiculous as to be considered insulting Abu, and only the most blindly prejudiced would ever even consider it as more than naive folly.

If you want, we could start replying with some of the myriad atrocities perpetrated by muslims, but what is the point in that?

You do remember the conflict in yugoslavia, I think all sides could find plenty of guilt and shame to hang their heads over.
There are no innocent parties in war, apart from a very few random individuals, and when a group seeks to attach that innocence to itself, then they just become more loathesome in my eyes.
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Reply #11 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 11:29am
 
Can you imbeciles read?

There were no 'militants' within miles of the atrocity, it was simply filthy animals gunning down a little 2 yo kid in cold blood. End of story. The one who supports, excuses or tries to justify it has no humanity, plain and simple. You are scum that doesn't deserve the title of human being.

Mozza I'm pretty disgusted by your attempts to apportion blame to someone else, even if you have to look to Yugoslavia in a whole 'nother continent! Btw, Muslim Bosnians were mostly civilian victims in Yugoslavia. They had no army to even commit atrocities, their only defence was volunteer Islamic soldiers who came in from all around the world to help them, whilst the international 'peacekeepers' watched the genocide.
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Reply #12 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 12:28pm
 
Obviously you don't understand the words; propaganda, rumour or heresay.
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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 2:01pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 14th, 2009 at 9:16pm:
Really, anyone who can justify shooting down women and little children waving white flags needs to seriously have their head examined.


You people are just sick.

You are supporters of war crimes, end of story.








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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/SWVoWEtcflI/AAAAAAAAGzo/zc35cTCuyvA/s400/hamas_bomber.jpg
Quote:
......anyone who can justify shooting down women and little children.....

You people are just sick.

You are supporters of war crimes, end of story.







Moslem women and 'little children', are combatants.

I, do not define them thus,
......ISLAM itself does.

ISLAM itself defines all moslems,
all moslems,
as combatants in Allah's war against non-moslems.

Moslem women and 'little children', are taught a desire, to kill and die, for ISLAM and Allah.


Google,
palestinian schools teach jihad

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=palestinian+schools+teach+jihad&btnG=Goo...




ISLAM is a death cult.


Moslem 'scholars' teach, that ISLAM is a death cult.


....."the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC 'scholar', Sayyid Qutb
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb





abu,

You are a raving hypocrite.

The sickness you accuse others of,
resides within your own heart.


Good moslems, are NOT good people.

"All good muslims, are bad [people]. It is impossible to be a good moslem, and be a good person."

Craig Winn- Exposing Islam - 04
http://www.youtube.com/results?feature=moby&search_query=Craig+Winn-+Exposing+Is...i


Fighting 'unbelievers' is the 'reason for being', for every good moslem.

That, is what moslems are taught from childhood.




ALL moslems are innocent, ALL non-moslems are 'guilty', and are sub-humans, for not believing in Allah and ISLAM.

ALL non-moslems must be enslaved, or killed.

That, is what moslems are taught from childhood.



The Koran [Allah's very word] encourages...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123


"Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon [i.e. they are the enemies of Allah, kill them!]. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace [i.e. slay them]. You have the upper hand [i.e. slay them]."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.033
v. 33-35


"Fighting [against non-moslems] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216
[i.e.... fighting the non-moslems, to bring Allah's way,
is an obligation
.]


The Hadith.....

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......*becomes an unbeliever*.....his blood may legally be spilled."








Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/01/nplot901.xml



Quote:
"There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."








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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 2:29pm
 
Either the conflict in the middle east is part of a worldwide Zionist conspiracy, to persecute moslems,

OR.....

ISLAM is a death cult.




14 August 2009
Deadly gun battle in Gaza mosque
...."These declarations [of an Islamic emirate] are aimed towards incitement against the Gaza Strip and an attempt at recruiting an international alliance against the Gaza Strip.
"And we warn those who are behind these Israeli Zionist declarations......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8202553.stm





...
"ISLAM IS PEACE, ALLAH BE PRAISED!!!!.....
.....Brothers, does anybody here wish to express dissent with that truth???
.....No?
.....ALLAH BE PRAISED!!!!"

/sarc off




08.14.09
Hamas, Qaeda followers clash in Gaza
War in Gaza: Hamas forces, supporters of radical cleric clash in Gaza Strip Friday after local imam slams Islamic movement for being 'too soft,' pledges supporters' allegiance to al-Qaeda; at least 13 people reportedly killed, including senior Hamas man

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3761965,00.html




August 14, 2009
Call the UN! Hamas attacks Gaza mosque!
Israel hit a mosque in Gaza that was being used to store weapons, and the international condemnation was fierce. Somehow I doubt that those who were so angry about that attack on a mosque will be upset about this one at all.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027235.php



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