abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16^th, 2009 at 6:14pm:




abu,

Where is the reference?

Those are truly beautiful words.

But you must also, or should, clarify, that the invocation in those beautiful words, only applies to neighbours who are fellow moslems.

ISLAMIC peace, and charity [love], is for fellow moslems, exclusively.

Why have you omitted that clarification?

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123

Grendel,

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You mean this Golden rule??

Ancient Egyptian Papyrus':
"Do to the doer to cause that he do" (Around 2000 B.C)
"That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another" (Around 600 B.C)

Ancient Greek Philosophy:
"Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." (Pittacus, Around 600 B.C)
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." (Thales, Around 600 B.C)

Hinduism:
"One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one’s own self. This, in brief, is the rule of dharma. Other behavior is due to selfish desires." (From the Vedas, Around 800 B.C)

Or perhaps you mean the 10 commandments?? That stone tablet given by God to a prophet in the forrm of tablets? Ever heard of the code of Ur-Nammu? Almost the exact same laws, but written earlier... And? what is your point in pointing out that religious/moral wisdoms often contain similar concepts across religions/nations/cultures?

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Do you not believe in the OT? Do you not believe God revealed it? Do you not believe it is the truth? Sure I understand you don't practise it, but don't you at least believe itt was revealed by the same God you supposedly believe in? Jesus (pbuh) certainly did, according to the reports in the NT.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:05pm:



Yadda quotes unambiguous, clear, words from the Koran, but,
1/ those words don't 'mean' what they 'suggest', and,
2/ Yadda is a liar.

Sure.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:00pm:


"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." Confucius.

"One who, while himself seeking happiness, oppresses with violence other beings who also desire happiness, will not attain happiness hereafter." Buddhism

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn." Hillel

"The truly enlightened ones are those who neither incite fear in others nor fear anyone themselves". Sikhism

And on it goes...

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:07am:



Who said anything about the Koran? I said "what Mohammed brought":

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and I quoted the Byzantine Emperor (via the pope). The hadith, the sayings of Mohammed, are full of evil and inhuman things, and the Koran is not free from them either, according to the said Emperor. He was arguing with a Mohammedan scholar.

And you know what that scholar answed? He said, "Geez, is that the time already? Must run my dear old emperor, I'll get back to you."  (I am quoting from memory.)

And sure enough, in a few years the Mohammedan armies got back to him, in force, and overrun Byzantium. Fancy that! Shurely shome mishtake.

Yadda,

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LOL This is your source of what Islam states? The CDHRI has absolutely _ZERO_ bearing on what Islam teaches. It is not a source of Shari'ah. Besides, from the few lines I read of that link, it doesn't state anything like what you're claiming. Care to actually quote what you think is your proof? Note: It is not proof of anything, since the sources of Islamic legislation are the Qur'an, Hadith, Qiyas of the Mujtahideen and Ijma' of the Sahabah. Not the CDHRI.

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Google "idiots who use Google as a source of authentic information".

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Still fabricating I see. If you ever decide to embrace truth and reject the falsehood that you hold so dear, then you might realise the meaning of "near to you" in this verse refers to relatives (ie. family nearness), not neighbours (ie. living in physical proximity to you).

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There's no doubting Islam does permit people/nations to use physical force to defend themselves. But you won't find anything like the blood-lusting stuff in the Bible, where it says have no pity, show no mercy, kill the young, old, men, women, etc. The Islamic texts enjoin restrictions and mildness when dealing with hostility. The Bible just speaks about slaughtering wholesale, and taking all the virgins as concubines.

soren,

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The same emperor who incited numerous crusades against the Muslims? Calling on the Bulgars to obliterate the Turks from the face of the earth? Yeh he's really in a position to judge others. Like Yadda and yourself, he was an A Grade hypocrite.

Darwin wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 5:52pm:




DARWIN,

It is tedious.

But if we don't contradict moslem error, they will take it as weakness and our consent, to do TO US, what they deem ISLAMIC, and 'justified'.

i.e. Oppress us.

Part 123 - Silence is Consent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g15Wk-1zNg
Contrast, moslem silence, in response to attacks of terror by moslems.