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Aug 17^th, 2009 at 1:24pm

Was not sure whether to call this thread "Terrorists terrorise terrorists" or "Murderes murder murderers".

Surely there is a monthy pythons style skit in here ???
They attacked net cafes and wedding parties, which hamas thiought was out of order. So killed them all.
What if they attacked discoes and funcentres ?? Is that ok ?

has hamas erred in "misinterpereting" the koran?
did Jund Ansar Allah misinterperet it ?

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RAFAH, Gaza Strip – Hamas crushed an al-Qaida-inspired group in an hours-long standoff that came to a fiery end when a large explosion killed the radical Muslim group's leader inside his Gaza home on Saturday.

The fighting was sparked by a rebellious sermon by the group's leader, and his dramatic death put an end to the greatest internal challenge to Hamas' rule since it took control of Gaza two years ago.

In all, the fighting claimed 24 lives — including that of a senior Hamas official who Israel says masterminded the abduction of an Israeli soldier. It was the highest death toll in the territory since the Israel-Hamas war earlier this year.

The crackdown targeted Jund Ansar Allah, or the Soldiers of the Companions of God, one of a number of small, shadowy groups that are even more radical than Hamas. The decisive confrontation, in which 95 group members were arrested, solidified Hamas' iron rule in Gaza.

The radical groups have sought to expand the Palestinians' battle beyond Israel to include the Western World as well. And in Gaza they have tried to enforce a strict version of Islamic law to which Hamas has not agreed. They have also attacked Internet cafes and wedding parties over behavior they consider improper.

The crackdown highlights Hamas' desire to limit its struggle to the Palestinian cause and to distance itself from militants espousing al-Qaida's ideology, though the United States, Israel and others consider Hamas a terrorist organization........

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_palestinians_gaza_shootout

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Re: extermists too extreme for extremists
Reply #1 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 1:40pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 1:24pm:

Was not sure whether to call this thread "Terrorists terrorise terrorists" or "Murderes murder murderers".

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"extermists too extreme for extremists"

OR,

Extremists NOT extreme enough, for extremists.

???

ISLAM, is a mental sickness, a psychosis, it is caused by, is a reflection of possession by demons [imo].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #2 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 1:56pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 1:40pm:

ISLAM, is a mental sickness, a psychosis, it is caused by, is a reflection of possession by demons [imo].

I' serious!

Do you want protection from demons?

Pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Ask him to protect you, and to surround you, with his spiritual light.

"Dear Father, please guide my steps.
Please teach my heart your ways.
Please protect me from the prayers [the curses] of the wicked,
[and] let their prayers fall to the earth.
Please surround me with your LIGHT,
and let not any darkness touch me."

Read his word.

Read the Psalms.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa001.html#top

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: extermists too extreme for extremists
Reply #4 - Aug 18^th, 2009 at 2:51pm

That's a possibility happy. Hamas has really made a lot of similar gestures over the last few years. Most have been completely ignored though, so not surprising if this is also.

Another possibility might just be that Hamas is not some extreme fanatical group, but is actually just a normal political movement, that just has a bad name because of the extreme circumstances it's found itself operating from. And therefore is just doing it's job of quelling a rebellion by fanatics in the territory it controls...

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Re: extermists too extreme for extremists
Reply #5 - Aug 18^th, 2009 at 3:01pm

Happy wrote on Aug 18^th, 2009 at 2:42pm:

I think it is Hamas token gesture to be seen as anti-extreme
and in return gain international recognition as representative Government.

As they say,

"You can put lipstick on a pig. But its still a pig."

Google,
"Genocide of Jews remains Hamas goal"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22Genocide+of+Jews+remains+Hamas+goal%2...

All good moslems are wanna-be homicidal maniacs.

All good moslems are psychopaths.

TRUTH

The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.0...

The Koran...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123

Those [above] are just a few examples, from many such verses, which encourage and and justify, moslem violence 'In Allah's Cause', against all non-moslems, everywhere.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: extermists too extreme for extremists Reply #6 - Aug 18^th, 2009 at 3:25pm abu - another possibility is they had not had any bloodletting for some weeks, so decided to rub out other extremists. hamas shjowed their "similar gestures" a few years ago, when they won power from fatah and proceded to kill many of the fatah
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Re: extermists too extreme for extremists
Reply #7 - Aug 18^th, 2009 at 9:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2009 at 2:51pm:

That's a possibility happy. Hamas has really made a lot of similar gestures over the last few years. Most have been completely ignored though, so not surprising if this is also.

Another possibility might just be that Hamas ... just has a bad name because of the extreme circumstances it's found itself operating from. .

Ahh, the stock standard Mohammedan "it's not our fault we are bad" trope.

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Re: extermists too extreme for extremists
Reply #8 - Aug 18^th, 2009 at 9:28pm

Sprint,

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hamas shjowed their "similar gestures" a few years ago, when they won power from fatah and proceded to kill many of the fatah

Fatah are Israeli agents, and they tried to overthrow Hamas, who were elected, simply because their U.S/Israeli masters commanded them to. So in effect Hamas was merely putting down a rebellion by a sector of society who was trying to overthrow the government at the behest of a foreign entity... something any government on earth would do... but no... the Muslims aren't supposed to have the same basic rights as others... how terrible of them to try and prevent being overthrown.

Soren,

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"it's not our fault we are bad"

Are they really bad? Are they any worse than any other government? It seems you only consider them bad, because their opponent is your friend... that's about it. The U.S government has done things a million times worse than Hamas, but because they're your friends, you've got no qualms with it. This indicates you are unprincipled. Your principles only apply selectively...

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Reply #9 - Aug 18^th, 2009 at 10:03pm

I wonder if you realise that the only way you can maintain your main guiding principle in these exchanges - namely that you will never, ever, ever, call a Muslim to account, as a Muslim - is by deploying one or all of these tropes:

First Law of the Univberse: Muslim (four legs) good, Western (two legs) bad.

From this follows that:
1 nothiing is ever the fault of Muslims, as Muslims (even when the perpetrators declare it to be so)
2. bad muslims are joo-agents or American puppets or both. They conntrol every Muslim majority country.
3 the west is worse in every way because it is also controlled by the same people who control the Muslim majoritity countries, only much worse.
4 there are no muslim lands or areas of influence anyways because of 2. above so no-one can know from experience how wonderful Muslim rule is. Any historical record that says the Muslim rule was bad was written by the ancestors of the people who now control 2. and 3. above.
5. slam will trumph but that does not mean it is waging war. It will truimph by invitation as it has always triumphed.

You are so banal in your thinking that you are unable to move on from the satire of Animal Farm. You inhabit the mental landscape of Squealer, the propgandist to that rightous pig, Napoleon.

The sign of a grown up - person, nation, people - is when they can take responsibility for their actions. You, like every Islamist with jihad on the brain, pushing the political barrow of Islamic supremacist political fantacy, are incapable of taking that step because you know in your bones that it would shatter your fantasies.

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