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Aug 17th, 2009 at 5:06pm
 
Israeli wins Fatah top body seat
A Jewish-born Israeli has been elected to the governing body of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party.

Uri Davis, 66, an academic who is married to a Palestinian, is an outspoken critic of what he calls Israel's "apartheid policies".

As the only Israeli member of the Revolutionary Council he says he wants to represent non-Arab people who support the Palestinian cause.
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Mr Davis has been a harsh critic of Israel for years
He called for an international campaign to boycott Israel to be toughened up.

Dr Davis said his Israeli citizenship made no difference to his election.

"Within the conference itself the welcome was most heartfelt and enthusiastic - the Fatah movement is an open, international movement - membership is not conditional on ethnic origin, it's conditional on agreement with the main part of the Fatah political programme," he told the BBC News website.

Dr Davis said he did not define himself as Jewish but as "a Palestinian Hebrew national of Jewish origin, anti-Zionist, registered as Muslim and a citizen of an apartheid state - the State of Israel".
He was one of around 700 Fatah members competing for 89 open seats in the body, which oversees the group's day-to-day decision making.

Others elected to Fatah's revolutionary council included Fadwa Barghouti, the wife of the senior Fatah figure, Marwan Barghouti, who was jailed by Israel five years ago for the murder of five people.
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Fatah congress delegates cast their votes
The old guard of Fatah retained only four of the 18 elected seats. The rest went to younger men.

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Reply #1 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 1:33am
 
I wonder what drives a man to become totally alienated from his own people and work against it.
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Reply #2 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 11:45am
 
His conscience perhaps?

When a people are clearly wrong, it's incumbant upon those amongst them with a conscience to rise up and oppose tthem.
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Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 3:26pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18th, 2009 at 11:45am:
His conscience perhaps?

When a people are clearly wrong, it's incumbant upon those amongst them with a conscience to rise up and oppose tthem.




Hence my example in this forum abu.

I am a witness against the evil, we Australians tolerate.

And i am a witness against an unprincipled Australian society and government.







"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

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Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2009 at 3:21am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18th, 2009 at 11:45am:
His conscience perhaps?

When a people are clearly wrong, it's incumbant upon those amongst them with a conscience to rise up and oppose tthem.

A conscience which causes you to oppose your own people is defective in the extreme.  In Dante's Inferno the lowest level of Hell is reserved for traitors, which is what this man is.

There is nothing "wrong" in what Israel is doing to the Palestinians from Israel's perspective, except perhaps not being thorough enough.  Obviously from the perspective of a Palestinian things are quite different.

Based on his statements it would seem that he's a liberal humanist, further reinforcing my belief that liberalism is the greatest evil ever devised by mankind.  As Dr. Johnson famously said, "The first whig was the Devil."
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A conscience which causes you to oppose your own people is defective in the extreme.


I guess that depends on your perspective. From the perspective of someone who views their allegiance to the God of the universe and to the truth and to righteousness, then you MUST oppose the falsehood and evil actions, even if it be from people of your own tribe/nation.

But from the point of view of tribalistic/nationalistic people who cling tight to falsehood and evil, then yes your view might be the right one...
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2009 at 11:33am
 
God is unprovable, and at any rate nothing in the canonical texts of the Abrahamic faiths precludes group interests or even war despite the universal message of these faiths.  Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing.

The existence of a people and its distinct interests is a simple fact.  Nothing is more evil than betraying your own people.

Try again, traitor.
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Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing.


It appears to be more orders to fight against polytheistic nations, rather than to ethnically cleanse people simply based on them being a different race.

Besides there was plenty of killing of fellow Israelites who had 'gone astray'. So it's quite clear from the Biblical texts, that even if some people are from your own nation, if they go astray, then you have no allegiance to them.

A classic example is that of the Edomites. Descended (according to the Bible) from Esau, the brother of Jacob (pbuh). So they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac (pbut), but due to their straying from the belief in the one true God they were considered foreign and were fought against.

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Nothing is more evil than betraying your own people.


Well this fellow seems to have converted to Islam and married a Palestinian woman, and lives in the PA-controlled territories, therefore he hasn't really betrayed anyone has he? Since he's no longer an Israeli citizen, he has no allegiance owed to them.

If you migrated to another country, would you not take up allegiance to your new country and sever that to your old country?
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Coral Sea wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 at 11:33am:
God is unprovable, and at any rate nothing in the canonical texts of the Abrahamic faiths precludes group interests or even war despite the universal message of these faiths. 
Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing.


The existence of a people and its distinct interests is a simple fact.  Nothing is more evil than betraying your own people.

Try again, traitor.




For a purpose.

To rid the land of a wicked people.


Deuteronomy 12:28
Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.
29  When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.


SEE THE IMAGES OF MOSLEMS, SEEKING TO SACRIFICE THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN, TO ALLAH,
HERE....


IDF shot children waving white flags
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250207614/2#2

This is a great wickedness.




And a new 'ethnic cleansing' of God's land, is approaching.

We [our bodies], are the 'promised land'.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Lamentations 3:31
For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
32  But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
33  For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
34  To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth,



THE HARVEST OF WICKEDNESS OF THE EARTH IS RIPE
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1214199336/112#112





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Reply #9 - Aug 19th, 2009 at 11:32pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
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Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing.

It appears to be more orders to fight against polytheistic nations, rather than to ethnically cleanse people simply based on them being a different race.

Indeed, but this is a cipher for eliminating rival peoples.  Note also that Judaism does not proselytize and is matrilineal, making it an inherited tribal religion.  The actions of the Israelites in conquering their land were those of a people pursuing their ethnic-genetic interests in securing an ethnically defensible homeland.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
Besides there was plenty of killing of fellow Israelites who had 'gone astray'. So it's quite clear from the Biblical texts, that even if some people are from your own nation, if they go astray, then you have no allegiance to them.

A classic example is that of the Edomites. Descended (according to the Bible) from Esau, the brother of Jacob (pbuh). So they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac (pbut), but due to their straying from the belief in the one true God they were considered foreign and were fought against.

Generally it's a good idea to put traitors to the sword.  Are you suggesting Israel should kill this man?  Wink


abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
Well this fellow seems to have converted to Islam and married a Palestinian woman, and lives in the PA-controlled territories, therefore he hasn't really betrayed anyone has he? Since he's no longer an Israeli citizen, he has no allegiance owed to them.

Identity is not plastic and individual.  It is deeply rooted in place and heritage.  What this man has done is turn his back on all of that and adopt the identity of the other.  That makes the man a traitor.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
If you migrated to another country, would you not take up allegiance to your new country and sever that to your old country?

It's not that simple.
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Reply #10 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 7:32am
 
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Note also that Judaism does not proselytize and is matrilineal


Both of these aspects of Judaism are nothing to do with the ancient religion of the Children of Israel. I don't remember reading too many passages of Genesis that read "Ruth, the daughter of Mahlakh, daughter of Bashmath" etc. The modern day religion of Jews has very little, if anything to do with the ancient religion of the Children of Israel.

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Identity is not plastic and individual.


Israel is a very new nation, it's only existed for about 60 years. Most Israelis are immigrants or 1st. generation immigrants.. their 'identiity' is not as solid as you might think.

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It's not that simple.


It can be. And for this fellow, it obviously is.
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Reply #11 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 8:50am
 
"Denialism"...  a new "ism" just for you Aboo... after all it is a part of Islam apparently.
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Israeli wins Fatah top body seat


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ISLAMIC societies 'embrace' non-moslems today,
as they always have
.


ISLAMIC societies offer one of three options to non-moslems [who live among them],
1/ convert to ISLAM,
2/ be subjugated, living as slaves of moslems, or
3/ death.


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued [as slaves of Allah/moslems].

Koran 9:29

There are no other options.

There is no equal co-existence offered to non-moslems.

Moslems would view equal co-existence with non-moslems, as an 'injustice' to moslems.

All moslems are taught from childhood, not to value the ethic of human equality.....
.....but that they, moslems, must have a [the!] superior status, in all societies.


The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

bukhari/052.sbt.html 004.052.196

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

bukhari/052.sbt.html 004.052.065







There is nothing new in this story, about Uri Davis.


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....Uri Davis, 66, an academic who is married to a Palestinian [presumably, a moslem woman?],....

.....He was one of around 700 Fatah members....

.....the Fatah movement is an open, international movement - membership is not conditional on ethnic origin, it's conditional on agreement with the main part of the Fatah political programme,

....Dr Davis said he did not define himself as Jewish.....






"If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....."


Uri Davis is a moslem convert.




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There is no equal co-existence offered to non-moslems.


Once again, I will ask you to look at all the Churches, Synagogues and other religious buildings standing all throughout the Islamic world, and compare them to the religious buildings of historical significance still standing in the Christian world. For at least 1800 years of Europe's Christian history, you didn't even allow other religions to exist at all. Whilst for all of our 1300 years of Islamic rule, we had various different religions all through our lands...

Yet you see fit to lecture Muslims about co-existence? This is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Now that your society has been taken over by non-adherents/atheists (whose ideals you disagree  with strongly I might add), and you've been forced to accept other religions in your society, you play the "nice friendly little accomodationist co-existence advocate", but we both know what your breast conceals.
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Reply #14 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 10:18am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 20th, 2009 at 9:37am:
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There is no equal co-existence offered to non-moslems.


Once again, I will ask you to look at all the Churches, Synagogues and other religious buildings standing all throughout the Islamic world, and compare them to the religious buildings of historical significance still standing in the Christian world. For at least 1800 years of Europe's Christian history, you didn't even allow other religions to exist at all. Whilst for all of our 1300 years of Islamic rule, we had various different religions all through our lands...

Yet you see fit to lecture Muslims about co-existence? This is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Now that your society has been taken over by non-adherents/atheists (whose ideals you disagree  with strongly I might add), and you've been forced to accept other religions in your society,
you play the "nice friendly little accomodationist co-existence advocate"
, but we both know what your breast conceals.





No.

I do not.

And i believe that the existence of people such as yourself, among us, is the evidence of our own moral corruption.

You and yours, are not the solution - as you, yourself, wish to suppose abu.

You and yours, are, our punishment.






Psalms 94:1
O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
2  Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.
3  LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?
4  How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?
5  They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.
6  They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.
7  Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.
8  Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
9  He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
10  He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
11  The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
12  Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;
13  That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.
14  For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
15  But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.
16  Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
17  Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence.
18  When I said, My foot slippeth; thy mercy, O LORD, held me up.
19  In the multitude of my thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul.
20  Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
21  They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
22  But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
23  And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.


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But judgment shall return unto righteousness:







Isaiah 28:15
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17  Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18  And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.




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