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Re: Israel begins sell-off of refugees’ land
Reply #30 - Aug 24th, 2009 at 1:55pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 24th, 2009 at 10:43am:
It seems clear that the expulsion of Arabs from Israel/Palestine has little to do with the threat of terrorism than Jews exploiting an historical "window of opportunity" to create a stable and demographically secure Jewish homeland, such that, were the spectre of Jewish persecution to rise again anywhere, the Jewish persecuted would have a guaranteed refuge.

Is it right that innocent Arabs should be evicted from their homes?




No it isn't.

Now show me the innocent Arabs.







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Is it right that a people should be persecuted everywhere with no place to run?




No it isn't.






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In this clash of two great rights, neither is greater.

Choose your side, choose your right and your poison.
There's nothing more to argue.






It was the world community which decided to give the Jewish people a homeland again, in that location.

A Jewish homeland, in what was their ancient homeland.



Arabs and Jews could have co-existed in the nation that emerged.

One party rejected co-existence on an equal basis, within a Jewish homeland.





That being so, those particular Arabs could have been reabsorbed into their own ancient homeland(s).

But they, and surrounding Arab nations refused to 'accommodate' that solution.

Hence the present strife.

A problem, which will be 'resolved' [to the the Arabs satisfaction] when local surrounding Arabs have successfully slaughtered all of the local Jewish people, those currently living in the state of Israel.

It isn't going to happen.






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Re: Israel begins sell-off of refugees’ land
Reply #31 - Aug 24th, 2009 at 1:57pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 24th, 2009 at 1:43pm:
For Muslims, the good and the bad are dealt to us by God. So if they de-Arabicised Palestine, then it would be from God. But we've had this discussion before, and you didn't seem to comprehend that concept. As you were under the impression that if it were from God, then one must surender to and accept it. Unable to seperate the concepts of God's will from God's commands.
The difference being nothing. Neither tribe will surrender to the 'will' nor the commands of the other's 'god'. The conflict therefore will be eternal.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 24th, 2009 at 1:43pm:
Even if Israel managed to de-Arabicise Palestine, that is not the end. They are completely surrounded by Arab and Muslim lands, and they face the exact same situation. So it's a pipedream to think Israel will ever exist as a 'normal' country, it will not.

You got that right. But this conflict is 'natural' to that land and its peoples, so the current one is just another chapter in its multi-millennial dialectic.
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Re: Israel begins sell-off of refugees’ land
Reply #32 - Aug 24th, 2009 at 4:56pm
 
Yadda,

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No it isn't.

Now show me the innocent Arabs.


I understand you've only really looked at the last few years of this conflict Yadda, so therefore you consider the Arabs to be the aggressor. But surely in 1948, the Arabs were innocent no? After all, they were just sitting in their homes, when all of this was thrust upon them. What were they guilty of? Other than perhaps being a little too naive to realise what was waiting to befall them?

Remember, Hamas and suicide bombing didn't come into existence until the mid to late 1980's, so for about 40 years, surely they were fairly innocent victims in all this? Yes eventually it got too much and they went to extreme measures to respond to what they'd been living under for so long...

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It was the world community which decided to give the Jewish people a homeland again, in that location.


Actually the world community offered Uganda, Australia and a few other places, the Zionists rejected every single one. Either way, the "world community" has no right to remove a people from their land, and place another people in it. Would you accept that from the "world community"? Or do you only recognise it's authority to resettle/transfer entire nations when it suits you?

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One party rejected co-existence on an equal basis, within a Jewish homeland.


Actually the Zionists rejected every single partition solution offered, since most of them gave a larger % of the land to the much much larger Arab population. When the U.N plan offered them a hugely disproportionate amount of land, of course they accepted, who in their right mind wouldn't? And what much larger majority would accept it? You're arguing against the very laws of human nature here.

Tiny minorities will of course accept an equal share of the land, and overwhelming majorities will never accept sharing their land equally with a tiny minority... It's just logical.

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That being so, those particular Arabs could have been reabsorbed into their own ancient homeland(s).


Although it's true some Palestinian Arabs have traceable ancestry in other parts of the Middle east, the vast majority do not. And DNA testing has shown that most Palestinians predate the Arab arrival, indicating they are the descendants of inhabitants of the land whose history there stretches back much longer than 1300 years (as if 1300 years wasn't enough).

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But they, and surrounding Arab nations refused to 'accommodate' that solution.


When you can state honestly you wouldn't mind being "re-absorbed" into other lands, if someone decided they wanted yours.. then I'll consider that argument.

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Hence the present strife.


That's right.. the present strife is all the result of the Palestinians selfish refusal to hand their house keys over to the Zionists, get up and walk off into the desert... how self-centred of them.

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A problem, which will be 'resolved' [to the the Arabs satisfaction] when local surrounding Arabs have successfully slaughtered all of the local Jewish people, those currently living in the state of Israel.

It isn't going to happen.


When they vacate the houses/land they are squatting in, and go back to their homes in NY, London, Russia, Lithuania etc. yes, then it will be resolved.

Until then, the suffering, on both sides, will linger... and the Christian nutcases such as yourself will be on the sidelines, eagerly awaiting their fulfilled prophecies, taking great joy in the suffering of others....
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