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Aug 28th, 2009 at 5:47am
 
I consider myself an extremist in that I have political views far outside the mainstream.  But this forum seems mostly about bashing (I don't mean that in a negative way) Islam.  Little help?
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Re: How do y'all define extremism?
Reply #1 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 8:37am
 

Having views outside of mainstream is uncommon.

Being extreme has the undercurrent of being willing to do untoward actions to further ones ideas.

eg, someone may be an extreme chess player. That's fine.
If that person harms someone who dislikes chess, that's not fine and an extremist viewpoint.
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Reply #2 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 9:23am
 
Coral Sea wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 5:47am:
I consider myself an extremist in that I have political views far outside the mainstream.  But this forum seems mostly about bashing (I don't mean that in a negative way) Islam.  Little help?





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How do y'all define extremism?



Coral Sea,

There is an old human concept called 'The Golden Rule'.

Google,
"The Golden Rule"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22The+Golden+Rule%22&btnG=Goo...

'The Golden Rule' reflects a recognition within ourselves, that we should treat others, in a way we would want to be treated.


Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.




ISLAM is a philosophy which abandons the moral principle embedded in 'The Golden Rule'.

In its foundation 'religious' texts, and in its doctrines, ISLAM announces that 'The Golden Rule' does not apply to non-moslems [does not apply to all other human beings].

Within ISLAM, application of 'The Golden Rule', applies
ONLY
to other moslems.

People on this forum, like abu, may deny this.

But such a denial, would be nothing more that a moslem lie.




AN ETHICAL BASIS FOR WAR
by Bill Warner (Jan 2007)
"......Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and most atheists agree that lying, theft, murder, destroying the sanctity of family, and lusting after other people’s property is bad behavior.
Upon reflection, all of these prohibitions prevent harm to others. We don’t harm others and we don’t want to be harmed. We all want to be treated well and this is the best way to treat others, hence the Golden Rule:
Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.
The Golden Rule is an ethic of unity. Everyone is treated the same. One ethical system for all people.
This has been said in many ways in many religions and cultures. But there is a religion and culture that does not agree with these ethics—Islam.

......What are Islamic ethics and where do we find them?
.....A Muslim should be a brother to other Muslims (not the rest of humanity). A Muslim should not kill another Muslim. A Muslim may lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
So for Islam the ethical statements are:
Do not kill another Muslim.
Do not steal from another Muslim.
Do not deceive another Muslim.
Islam divides the entire world into Islam and nonbelievers and has two sets of ethics, one for Islam and another for the rest. The Golden Rule has the equality of all humanity as its basis. It is not: Do unto some people, as you would have them do unto you, but do unto all people as you would have them do unto you.
Islam denies the universality of the Golden Rule because Islam starts with the division of the entire world, all humanity, into two different groups—Islamic and non-Islamic. Every aspect of Islamic ethics is based upon this separation. Having two distinct groups leads to two different ethical codes. Said another way, Islam has dualistic ethics.
Deceit, violence and force are optional actions against the unbelievers. Believers are to be treated as brothers and sisters. Islam’s ethics are based upon:
Good is whatever advances Islam.
Evil is whatever resists Islam.
......the whole world must submit to Islam; nonbelievers are the enemy simply because they are not Muslims. To achieve this dominance, Islam may use terror and violence. It may use psychological warfare, fear, and theft. It may take the spoils of war from non-Muslims. Violence and terror are made sacred by the Koran. Peace comes only with submission to Islam.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=5208&sec_id=5208








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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: How do y'all define extremism?
Reply #3 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 10:11am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 9:23am:
Coral Sea,

There is an old human concept called 'The Golden Rule'.

........
........
Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.






'The Golden Rule', embodies the concept....


Quote:
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.








ISLAM more nearly embraces another concept of interaction between humans,
.....and particularly, as between moslems, and non-moslems....

Quote:
"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."



Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian


Where 'equals' refers to fellow moslems, and the 'weak' refers to all non-moslems.





From ISLAMIC religious texts...

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of [moslem] superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...


There are
MANY
more such ISLAMIC texts!







Jihad = = an unending war against all mankind [all non-moslems].


Part 019 - Quran Against Unbelievers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5_djbuagc


A full list of all, al Rassooli's "AhmadsQuran3" talks, available on YOUTUBE....
http://www.al-rassooli.com/ahmadsquran3/




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: How do y'all define extremism?
Reply #4 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 10:50am
 
pickles  and mustard on my hambuger



milo and cocoa together with full cream milk and a marshmallow [hot chocolate like you've never seen]

and lastly,


doing burnouts in a 4 cylinder on a rainy day.
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Reply #5 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 10:56am
 

pickles AND mustard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you won auzgurl, easily
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Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 11:19am
 
The Mole wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 10:50am:
pickles  and mustard on my hambuger



milo and cocoa together with full cream milk and a marshmallow [hot chocolate like you've never seen]

and lastly,


doing burnouts in a 4 cylinder on a rainy day.




Auzgurl,

'How do y'all define extremism?'


I guess this issue would only have some traction with you [and many others], if it was your very own brother/sister/son/daughter which came back from a holiday in Bali, as body parts in a box, or terribly scared from burns, or incapacitated for life by their injuries?

Your flippancy relating to moral issues is typical, unsurprising.



...



People are dying, and you are laughing.

It won't always be so.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/islamvsinfidels/beheadthosewhoinsultisla...
DO NOT! click this image link.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/beheaded_girl.jpg
DO NOT! click this image link.




"THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday."
"...he decided that beheading Christians could qualify as an act of Muslim charity."

http://mychristianblood.blogspirit.com/archive/2006/11/09/beheaded-girls-were-ra...




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 12:16pm
 
Yadda, get down off your pulpit and stop preaching your moral values and extremist  bulls hit to everyone else.

"How do y'all define extremism," easy, in one word, YADDA, you're a freak man, your constant whining about Muslims only makes me question your motives more and more.
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Reply #8 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 12:40pm
 


yadda-
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Auzgurl,

'How do y'all define extremism?'

I guess this issue would only have some traction with you [and many others], if it was your very own brother/sister/son/daughter which came back from a holiday in Bali, as body parts in a box, or terribly scared from burns, or incapacitated for life by their injuries?

Your flippancy relating to moral issues is typical, unsurprising.


well then I dont know why i bothered.
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Reply #9 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 12:41pm
 
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Yadda, get down off your pulpit and stop preaching your moral values and extremist  bulls hit to everyone else.

"How do y'all define extremism," easy, in one word, YADDA, you're a freak man, your constant whining about Muslims only makes me question your motives more and more.





skip,

Yes.

In a world that loves lies.

Speaking the TRUTH, is 'extremism'.

This isn't 2009,
.....its 1984!



Google,
Bush islam is a religion of peace
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=bush+islam+is+a+religion+of+peace&btnG=S...
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Reply #10 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 12:54pm
 
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Google,
Bush islam is a religion of peace


I mean, really, whats the point?

Will it reinforce my belief that extremist Christians like you are probably more dangerous to us here in Australia than extremist Muslims are? -- PROBABLY.

Will it reinforce the fact that you spend all day trolling anti Muslim sites to find extremist nonsense to post here?---PROBABLY.


will it reinforce the belief that it is likely to be extremist Christians like you that are the trigger for WW3?----- MOST LIKLEY.


Why would I waste my time? ------ I wouldn't.
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Quote:
Google,
Bush islam is a religion of peace


I mean, really, whats the point?


Will it reinforce my belief that extremist Christians like you are probably more dangerous to us here in Australia than extremist Muslims are? -- PROBABLY.

Will it reinforce the fact that you spend all day trolling anti Muslim sites to find extremist nonsense to post here?---PROBABLY.


will it reinforce the belief that it is likely to be extremist Christians like you that are the trigger for WW3?----- MOST LIKLEY.


Why would I waste my time? ------ I wouldn't.





You wouldn't waste your time.

I know that.

So don't bother.






Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.


Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:





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Reply #12 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 1:17pm
 
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as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:


Oh, I never do that, my sheep and goats get on fine together, but thanks for the tip.

Have you heard this verse--

Skipucious chapter 1 verse 1- He who spend all day basting turkey get sore willy.
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Reply #13 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 1:20pm
 
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Yadda, get down off your pulpit and stop preaching your moral values and extremist  bulls hit to everyone else.

"How do y'all define extremism," easy, in one word, YADDA, you're a freak man, your constant whining about Muslims only makes me question your motives more and more.

There's no one more obnoxious than a political or religious zealot.
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Reply #14 - Aug 28th, 2009 at 1:38pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28th, 2009 at 1:20pm:
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Yadda, get down off your pulpit and stop preaching your moral values and extremist  bulls hit to everyone else.

"How do y'all define extremism," easy, in one word, YADDA, you're a freak man, your constant whining about Muslims only makes me question your motives more and more.

There's no one more obnoxious than a political or religious zealot.






Obnoxious.

Yep, that sounds like me.




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