Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28
th, 2009 at 11:45pm:
Abu -
if there is a quote or behaviour in the koran to justify raping women I might make comment of that
, yes.
Or if the rapist was using the koran or his belief as a justification for his crime I would ask about it.
is that unreasonable ?
sprint,
There is such a verse, permitting / inferring such sex [non-consenting sex], with 'war booty' / slave women.
Some of Mohammed companions asked him,
Is COITUS INTERRUPTUS with captive women 'sinful'/prohibited, should we just go the full hog [as usual!] ?
....Mohammed says,
'It does not matter if you do not do it'.....i.e. there is no need for the coitus interruptus,
GO THE FULL HOG.
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...etc,
"Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' " "
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...etc,
"Yahya said that Malik related from Ibn Shihab from Salim ibn Abdullah ibn Umar from his father that Umar ibn al-Khattab said, "What's the matter with men who have intercourse with their slave-girls and then dismiss them? No slave-girl comes to me whose master confesses that he has had intercourse with her but that I connect her child to him, whether or not he has practised coitus interruptus or stopped having intercourse with her." "
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...etc,
"That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created." "
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...'It is better for you not to do it' = = there is no need for the coitus interruptus,
GO THE FULL HOG.
etc,
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...etc,
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...