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Christian preacher arrested for abduction of 11yo.
Aug 29th, 2009 at 1:57am
 
A Christian man, AND his wife, who wanted to establish his own Church has been arrested for abducting an 11 yo. girl almost 20 years ago and fathering two kids with her, whilst keeping her prisoner in his backyard. Seems to be happening quite a bit this in Christian countries, doesn't it?? Austria and other places in recent times have been the scenes of similar such cases.



Missing US girl bore two children


A US woman found after being abducted as a girl in 1991 gave birth to two children fathered by her alleged kidnapper - the first when she was 14.

Jaycee Lee Dugard and her daughters, 11 and 15, were kept in a "hidden backyard within a backyard", police say.

Alleged kidnapper Phillip Garrido, 58, and his wife Nancy Garrido, 54, are being held in custody in California.

DNA tests are being done to confirm Ms Dugard's identity, but meanwhile she has been reunited with her mother.

"She was in good health, but living in a backyard for the past 18 years does take its toll," El Dorado County Undersheriff Fred Kollar said.

Ms Dugard disappeared in 1991, aged 11, apparently taken by two people who bundled her into a car.

Mr Kollar said that since the kidnapping she had lived with the couple, isolated from view at a property in Antioch near San Francisco, 170 miles (273km) from her home in South Lake Tahoe.

"The tents and outbuildings in the backyard were placed in a strategic arrangement to inhibit outside viewing and to isolate the victims from outside contact."

She and the children spent "most of their lives" there, he said, adding that they had never been to school or seen a doctor.

Their identities were revealed after police spotted Mr Garrido as he handed out religious literature at the University of California Berkeley campus with the two young children.

He raised suspicions because as a registered sex offender he was not allowed to be with young children.

Jaycee's alleged kidnapper Phillip Garrido: "I'm in a very serious situation"

He was called in by his parole officer for questioning, and brought the two children and a young woman he called Allissa with him.

During questioning he revealed that Allissa was actually Ms Dugard. She also confirmed her identity to police.

In a telephone interview from prison with the KCRA-TV station, Mr Garrido said he had not admitted to abduction and that the birth of the first child 15 years ago had changed his life.

"If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backward and in the end you're going to find the most powerful, heart-warming story," he said.

"I tell you here's the story of what took place at this house and you're going to be absolutely impressed.

"It's a disgusting thing that took place with me in the beginning. But I turned my life completely around," he said.

Some of those who had had contact with Mr Garrido over recent years said he had developed increasingly strong religious beliefs.

Tim Allen, who did business with Mr Garrido's printing firm, told Associated Press that Mr Garrido gave the impression he was planning to establish a church. "He rambled. It made no sense," Mr Allen said.

'Given up hope'

Police said they had found a vehicle hidden in the backyard of the Antioch property that matched the vehicle described at the time of the abduction.

Although Mr Garrido was previously visited by a parole officer, there was nothing odd noticed about the backyard.

The area occupied by Ms Dugard and her children was concealed by shrubs, rubbish bins and a tarpaulin.

Ms Dugard's stepfather, Carl Probyn, who witnessed the abduction on 10 June 1991, said he had "given up hope" she would be found alive.

"It broke my marriage up. I've gone through hell, I mean I'm a suspect up until yesterday," Mr Probyn, 60, told AP.

OTHER SOLVED ABDUCTIONS
Elisabeth Fritzl (Austria): Abducted 1984, aged 18; found 2008
Natascha Kampusch (Austria): Abducted 1998, aged 10; escaped 2006
Steven Staynor (US): Abducted 1972, aged 14; escaped 1980
Shawn Hornbeck (US): Abducted 2002, aged 11; found 2007
(All Christian countries)

Mr Probyn saw the young girl being taken away by two people as she walked from her home to a school bus stop in South Lake Tahoe.

He said a stranger drove up and grabbed Ms Dugard, bundling her into a grey car even as she tried to resist by kicking and screaming.

Mr Probyn believed a man and woman were in the vehicle. Despite several false reports of sightings in the intervening years, Ms Dugard was never seen again.

"She sounds like she's okay," Mr Probyn said. "I hope she's been well-treated this entire 18 years.

Source: BBC
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Reply #1 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 6:39am
 
It makes you wonder how many missing children have been kidnapped in the past and held prisoner. The ones recently emerging out of the woodwork have been the lucky ones and survived.

This Christian was a sex offender - a not uncommon trait of self professed religious men.
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Reply #2 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 8:50am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 29th, 2009 at 1:57am:
A Christian man, AND his wife, who wanted to establish his own Church has been arrested for abducting an 11 yo. girl almost 20 years ago and fathering two kids with her, whilst keeping her prisoner in his backyard. Seems to be happening quite a bit this in Christian countries, doesn't it?? Austria and other places in recent times have been the scenes of similar such cases.

.....Mr Probyn saw the young girl being taken away by two people as she walked from her home to a school bus stop in South Lake Tahoe.

He said a stranger drove up and grabbed Ms Dugard, bundling her into a grey car even as she tried to resist by kicking and screaming.

Mr Probyn believed a man and woman were in the vehicle. Despite several false reports of sightings in the intervening years, Ms Dugard was never seen again.

"She sounds like she's okay," Mr Probyn said. "I hope she's been well-treated this entire 18 years.

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This is indeed a terrible account of child stealing.

But sadly, such incidents are not, AT ALL, unusual.

And i do commend the Western media for reporting
this
particular story, and its conclusion.





In some countries,
such events go unheralded.


And in some countries, sadly, such events are VERY common, yet go mostly unreported.
....ESPECIALLY BY OUR WESTERN MEDIA!

Why?



Google,
"Christian girl kidnapped"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22Christian+girl+kidnapped%22&btnG=Sear...




CHRISTIAN GIRLS, 13- AND 10-YEAR-OLD GIRLS ABDUCTED, RAPED, AND FORCED INTO THE FOLD OF ISLAM


The 'progress' of one single incident, in 'another' country...

July 14, 2008
Pakistan: 13- and 10-year-old girls abducted, raped, and forced into the fold of Islam
More Christian girls being forced to convert to the religion of peace. As this report notes, the Muslim majority, including the police, are either actively or passively aiding the abductors, a common phenomenon in Muslim majority countries, such as Egypt, where Coptic girls are regularly abducted.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021760.php


July 12, 2008
Pakistan: Christian girls kidnapped; captors file for custody, claiming girls converted to Islam
And the police weren't about to be of any help without outside pressure: The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' as the officers said the girls had embraced Islam in a written statement."
"Pakistan: Girls kidnapped, allegedly forced to convert,"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021731.php


update....

July 20, 2008
Pakistan: Court grants custody of Christian girls to Muslim kidnappers
Because they converted to Islam, you see. More on this story. "Pakistan: Court Grants Custody of Girls to Kidnappers," from Compass Direct News, July 18:
    ISTANBUL, July 18 (Compass Direct News) A Pakistani couple has appealed a court decision to award custody of their two daughters, 10 and 13, to the children’s alleged kidnappers. The court based its custody decision on the girls’ conversion to Islam.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021866.php





Comment:
There is quite a distinction, isn't there, between how these awful incidents are reported, and how these incidents are 'conducted' by government agencies, depending on the culture of the country where they take place, yes?

Why is that?

Shouldn't we all, be asking these questions?





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 11:34am
 
Yadda, firstly, try to address the topic, rather than trying to aim everything back at Islam. If I were to respond in your anti-Islamic threads with such a diversionary argument, the first thing you'd do is cry "deflection". So please have the same respect you request in your own threads, and deal with the issue at hand, which is Christians kidnapping little girls and raping them, fathering children with them and keeping them prisoners in false backyards for 20 years...
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Reply #4 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 12:35pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 29th, 2009 at 11:34am:
Yadda, firstly, try to address the topic
, rather than trying to aim everything back at Islam. If I were to respond in your anti-Islamic threads with such a diversionary argument, the first thing you'd do is cry "deflection". So please have the same respect you request in your own threads,
and deal with the issue at hand
, which is Christians kidnapping little girls and raping them, fathering children with them and keeping them prisoners in false backyards for 20 years...




It is the exact same crime abu.

And i condemn those parties, who commit such crimes against innocent [often] children, and young women.

I condemn those parties, who commit such crimes, if the perpetrators claim to be Christians, or not.



abu,

Surely exposing every example of these type of crimes, whenever, and wherever they may occur, is commendable, and should be encouraged?

Do you disagree with my last statement?


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Reply #5 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 1:37pm
 

its amazing someone can be kept hidden for so long.

the man and his wife should be locked up for a very long time.
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Reply #6 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 2:55pm
 
Quote:
Surely exposing every example of these type of crimes, whenever, and wherever they may occur, is commendable, and should be encouraged?


Ok that's fine, open a thread, or 3 threads if you like, and begin a discussion about it. But this thread is about the topic of this Christian preacher and his wife, who abducted and fathered children with a young 11yo. girl. Please have some respect, and leave the topic for that. And also practice your Christian ethic of doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you. As I said, if I remotely refer to non-Muslims in any discussion about Islam/Muslims, you all cry tu quoque / deflection etc. You have no shame in my threads and just completely change the topic to Islam from the first post...
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Reply #7 - Aug 29th, 2009 at 4:06pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 29th, 2009 at 2:55pm:
Quote:
Surely exposing every example of these type of crimes, whenever, and wherever they may occur, is commendable, and should be encouraged?


Ok that's fine, open a thread, or 3 threads if you like, and begin a discussion about it.
But this thread is about the topic of this Christian preacher and his wife, who abducted and fathered children with a young 11yo. girl.
Please have some respect, and leave the topic for that. And also practice your Christian ethic of doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you. As I said, if I remotely refer to non-Muslims in any discussion about Islam/Muslims, you all cry tu quoque / deflection etc. You have no shame in my threads and just completely change the topic to Islam from the first post...





abu,

Let me get this straight, your argument to me is.....

In [this] your thread, in your 1st post [on this thread], you are castigating, and denigrating Christians, by associating Christianity with the actions of this criminal, an abductor of children.

But when i point out your moslem hypocrisy [in pointing our that such abductions of children/young women, are common in majority moslem countries], its,

.....
"Your not playing fair Yadda!!"



Ha! ha!

In your dreams!

This is free and open political debate.

Someone once said that free and open debate, is a contest of ideas.




abu,

What a pity this is not muslimvillage.com.au , where you could just BAN me,
.....as an ignorant Kuffar, as being 'disrespectful', and 'insulting' to ISLAM.







I know, that you do not like my opinion(s).

But i am making use of this forum.

I am making whatever 'argument' i have, in this forum,
.....and i am happy to let others [also] judge my argument/position in this forum.



You are free to try this 'debate' concept for yourself abu.            Tongue



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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