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Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 11:28am
 
Christians seems to have adapted to changing expectations of the community.

Sadly the same does not apply to the other religion!
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Reply #16 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 12:26pm
 

happy - christians are to follow the New testament.
the commands abu speaks of are only in the old testament.

christians are not beholden to those, nor any of the others abu brings up from the OT to justify mohammads actions.

christians have not adapted. christianity has not changed.
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Reply #17 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 1:07pm
 
I am probably wrong with my interpretation of “change”, but these days we do not have witches burned or scientists excommunicated.
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Reply #18 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 1:49pm
 

no we don't.

Jesus did not say to do either of those things either.
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Reply #19 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 5:58pm
 
The Rape Jihad  By: Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, September 24, 2004


“Each of us was raped by between three and six men….One woman refused to have sex with them, so they split her head into pieces with an axe in front of us.”

This happened in Darfur, from which Sudanese military personnel actually airlifted women to Khartoum to serve as sex slaves.


Meanwhile, Indira Dzetskelova, the mother of one of the child hostages in Beslan, Russia, reports that “several 15-year-old girls were raped by terrorists.” Her daughter “heard their terrible cries and screams when those monsters took them away.”

This indicates that there are two things the massacre in Beslan have in common with the ongoing massacres in Darfur: both, no less than the 9/11 attacks, are examples of Islamic jihad terrorism, and both are characterized by rape.

The jihadist element has been made clear by the ringleaders of both atrocities. Sudanese General Mohamed Beshir Suleiman recently declared: “The door of the jihad is still open and if it has been closed in the south it will be opened in Darfur.” In southern Sudan, of course, the jihad was waged against Christians; in Darfur, the targets are black African Muslims whose Islamic bona fides don’t satisfy Khartoum. As for Beslan, the Chechen jihadist leader Shamil Besayev warned the Russian government last winter: “Praise Allah, we are dreaming of dying in jihad, we are dreaming of dying on the way of Allah, so that we could earn paradise and mercy of Allah.”


What does rape, then, have to do with these religious conflicts? Unfortunately, everything. The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.

Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).

After one successful battle, Muhammad tells his men, “Go and take any slave girl.” He took one for himself also. After the notorious massacre of the Jewish Qurayzah tribe, he did it again. According to his earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad “went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for [the men of Banu Qurayza] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.” After killing “600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900,” the Prophet of Islam took one of the widows he had just made, Rayhana bint Amr, as another concubine.

Emerging victorious in another battle, according to a generally accepted Islamic tradition, Muhammad’s men present him with an ethical question: “We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl [coitus interruptus] with them.” Muhammad told them: “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.’” When Muhammad says “it is better that you should not do it,” he’s referring to coitus interruptus, not to raping their captives. He takes that for granted.

With Muhammad revered throughout the Islamic world as al-insan al-kamil, the perfect man, the rapes of Darfur and Beslan are nothing surprising.

What is surprising, or ought to be, is the silence from the Islamic world about the rapes in both cases. Where are the reformers who will dare to say that Muhammad’s example must not be followed in this case? Who will acknowledge that the world has developed principles of human rights that must supercede those forged in seventh-century Arabia? Where are the Western spokesmen who are not so in thrall to multiculturalism that they will condemn rape that is justified according to Islamic religious principles?

The much-lionized “Muslim Martin Luther,” Tariq Ramadan, now banned from entering the U.S., can so far only bring himself to call for a moratorium, not a definitive ban, on stoning for adulterers. Rape of captives? His sentiments are not known. Where is the Muslim Solzhenitsyn, who will speak honestly about the aspects of Islam that so desperately need reform, and call for the overhaul that the system so obviously needs?

The whole world is waiting. But for the girls and women of Darfur and Beslan, it is already too late.

Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of eight books, eleven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including the New York Times Bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book, Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs, is available now from Regnery Publishing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11278
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #20 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 6:06pm
 
Not only is it is OK, it is encouraged. Raping women is the 'prize' that Allah gives jihadi wannabees in the dar al harb, the House of War. Jihadi wannabees, therefore have the blessing of Islam to rape infidel women in the dar al harb, hence the legions of Islamic rapists in Australia in recent times. Remember, that only 15% of all rapes are ever reported, let alone, lead to convictions. Many of the Islamic men who came running for the mass gang bang when receiving a text from bilal skaf have NEVER been identified.

Think of you having a beer with your mates, and you get a text saying 'Come over to rape this girl I have trapped in my house?" You'd make the next call to the cops. Not so those members of the Religion of Peace, who were eager to participate in the 'booty' which their evil texts say is their prize.

Also, there is no concept of rape in marriage in Islam. Islam says you can rape your wife, as she cannot refuse to have sex with you, except for medical reasons. Of course, you can beat your wife also in islam, so, any non-compliance can be met with a few punches to 'persuade' her.

Next, any slave girls you may have, can also be raped. Now that slaves are pretty rare, this has been extended to domestic servants. All infidel marriages are annulled when the jihad takes place, so that the jihadis can rape the women they encounter. Mohammed was fond of killing the husbands of infidel women and then taking the women for his new concubines. I remember Abu laughably saying that the women willingly went with Mohammed after their husbands heads were cut off and there was no rape. Yeah, right.

Again, in Iran, the guards rape female captives before executing them.

So rape and Islam go hand in hand. The only rape that is not permitted, is, rape of a muslim woman, and then it can only be proven by 4 male witnesses to the rape. If there is no such proof, the woman is accused of adultery and stoned to death.

Very enlightened system.
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Reply #21 - Sep 3rd, 2009 at 10:49am
 
abu,

Coming back to your original point / assertion.....


abu_rashid wrote on Aug 31st, 2009 at 2:02pm:
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And how, as you understand it, the rape of captive women, by moslem men, IS JUSTIFIED WITHIN ISLAM, and is not fornication.


Raping is not permitted in Islam in any case, and I challenge you to produce any Islamic text claiming it is.





This item today at Jihad Watch...

September 2, 2009
Ahmadinejad's Imam a Misunderstander of Islam, says Islam allows raping, torturing prisoners
It's so hard to get good clerical help these days. Even the top clerics misunderstand the Religion of Peace™.
"Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners," by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz for Israel National News, September 1 (thanks to all who sent this in):
    (IsraelNN.com) A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime. [...]
"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."...
A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027435.php



But of course abu, your next assertion is, that Iran, is not an ISLAMIC state, and that those
moslems
in power in Iran [the mullahs], are not rightly 'guided moslems', not 'REAL' moslems - LIKE YOURSELF.
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abu,

Believe what you will.

Pronounce to be TRUTH, what you will.

BUT, our moral choices, are our moral choices.

In your endorsement of ISLAM, by your actions, by your defence of that evil philosophy in this forum, you personally, are helping to enable, and facilitate the evil and wickedness of ISLAM.

And as a devout person [which you claim to be], do you imagine, that you will escape Gods wrath???

And i confront you, and assert that you DO know in your own heart, what is good, and what is evil.

So why do you hesitate now, to do what you know, is right?



abu, you are defending
pure evil
.

abu, we personally, are responsible for our moral choices [....before God].

Repent, and be forgiven.







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Isaiah 56:1
Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2  Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3  Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4  For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5  Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6  Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7  Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
8  The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.


Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.




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Reply #22 - Sep 3rd, 2009 at 11:00am
 
That's right, the leaders of Iran are not implementing Islam, as neither are the leaders of any country in the Middle East.

Apart from the fact theye're Shia... but if you find a Shia I'm sure you can take it up with them. Since I don't believe in their pronouncements, I can't really answer for them.
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Reply #23 - Sep 3rd, 2009 at 11:12am
 

yes yes, thats right.
There is no islam in the world, is there ??
nor caliphate?
only exists in your imagination, the world has rid itself of it, we have progressed.

we won't allow you to drag us back to vile harsh sexist dictatorial onemind rules.

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Reply #24 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 7:17pm
 
Asian gang of predators abused and raped up to 100 girls as young as 12
By Andy Dolan
An Asian (ie Muslim) gang of 'sexual predators' cruised city streets for girls as young as 12 - usually white - who were then plied with drink and drugs and raped or abused.
Up to 100 ‘vulnerable’ girls may have been groomed, abused or supplied cocaine by married fathers Abid ­Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat, and their friends.

A court heard the pair used Liaqat’s BMW saloon to trawl for victims, pulling up alongside girls outside shops or schools and chatting them up before a ‘campaign of calls and texts’ to groom them.

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When girls refused their advances they were threatened with hammers or thrown out of cars.


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One girl described a sexual assault involving at least eight men, although charges in relation to that incident were not proceeded with.

Many attacks were filmed on mobile phones as ‘trophies’.

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Unemployed Liaqat, of Sinfin, Derby, was convicted of rape, aiding and abetting rape, being involved with child pornography, two sexual assaults, four counts of sexual activity with a child, and affray.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332746/Asian-gang-raped-girls-young-12-picking-streets-sex.html#ixzz16NWGwbb4


This one is for the dozy bints here:

'At first I saw them as father figures'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332746/Asian-gang-raped-girls-young-12-picking-streets-sex.html#ixzz16NWz4UL6

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Reply #25 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 7:24pm
 
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A court heard the pair used Liaqat’s BMW saloon


Sounds like poverty has driven yet another group of misguided youths to rape. We need more social programs to correct this injustice.
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Reply #26 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 10:23pm
 
Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. What? Sweden?
Who is doing all this raping?




This is all going to blow up in a very big way one day, an not only in Sweden.
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Reply #27 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 7:25am
 
Soren wrote on Dec 2nd, 2010 at 10:23pm:
Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. What? Sweden?
Who is doing all this raping?




This is all going to blow up in a very big way one day, an not only in Sweden.


That's one hell of a video Soren, this guy doesn't mince words.
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Reply #28 - May 17th, 2013 at 8:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Speaking of lying, even this claim of yours is about what Mohammad's subjects did -

nothing is mentioned at all about Mohammad raping anyone.


So why do you say he did?






gandalf,

Lets us go down to the park and catch some girls
......and then have sex with them.

It is not rape gandalf.......just non-consensual sex.
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gandalf,

Rape = = having non-consensual sex


Mohammed did it,   READ ON........







Yadda wrote on Sep 1st, 2009 at 9:16am:

FROM THE HADITH.....


"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = describing some form of raiding party, where Mohammed, and his men, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what this means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust. This sounds like fornication to me. So why weren't Mohammed and his men stoned to death???

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, their moslem captors sought to sexually 'use', and shame, these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them. How honourable of these moslem men. /sarc off

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

FROM THE HADITH, END.

These [above] Hadith verses are cited, with references, here [in another thread],

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8




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Reply #29 - May 21st, 2013 at 12:41pm
 
The Bible allows rape, slavery, the sex trade, and murder!  Yet, all we hear is condemnation of Islam and Muslims.  I wonder why?  Could it that some people here are prejudiced?  Nah, couldn't be!   Grin
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