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The Christians and Shia Muslims are still fleeing due to persecution so they are obviously no better off under a "democratic" government. The blame can go on US intervention and their mixed messages.

The core US policy declared by Rumsfeld for the invasion of Iraq was -

De-Baathification. The Coalition will work with forward-looking Iraqis and actively oppose the old regime's enforcers--the Baath Party leaders, Fedayeen Saddam, and other instruments of repression--and make clear that it will eliminate the remnants of Saddam's regime

Then Rumsfeld warned the newly formed Iraqi Government  against anti-Baathist purges because it would lead to "lack of confidence" and "corruption" of government.

There is no leadership now. Iraq is a country that needs a dictator and the brutality and suffering is far worse now than it was under Saddam. There were no terrorist attacks prior to the invasion.

Mantra,

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Although the West like to portray it in terms of Sunni, Shia, Christian[, Kurdish] conflict, the fact is that the people are more united/divided along a line that is demarcated by different groups' acceptance of the occupation. Sunni and Shia groups often co-operate in anti-Invasion resistance. And if you ever travel to a country in the Middle East, and watch satellite television there, you'll find a station which broadcasts 24/7 footage of united Sunni, Shia, Whoever else, operations against invasion forces. They also broadcast messages of unity between all different resistance movements.

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Perhaps it just needs an end to foreign interference?

Amadd,

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The mess in Iraq has been brewing since the 1980's, when the U.S first began wreaking havoc there, giving Saddam the green light to do as he pleased. When they turned on him and pulled him up, it certainly got much worse. There's not a single piece of mess in that country that doesn't have America's scent all over it.

Australia was founded on the dispossession of another culture from their nation/land, our entire modern history is based on newcomers upsetting the existing culture, so don't act like you're the original inhabitant of the land, whose being dispossessed and overrun. And I think for this reason, keeping Australia "white" will just never work. If you don't like the fact it's multicultural, then you are at odds with Australia, not Indians or others who've come to make a new life here.

When you see an Indian blaring out some Bollywood music ringtone on his phone, and jabbering away in Hindi, know that he's living up to the Aussie trait of completely disregarding the existing  culture of the people who preceded him here. He is being truly Aussie.

Australian culture has never been about assimilation and being uniform. It's always been about individualism. You probably have no problem with a teenager following some whacked out weirdo fashions, styles etc. (which amount to culture), yet if an immigrant dresses any different, or listens to different music or eats different food... BOOT HIM OUT!!! for refusing to 'integrate'.

The US didn't go into the Gulf war, Iraq and Afghanistan for altruistic purposes - they went to claim the oil.

As far as our culture goes - it has changed so much over the last few decades, who has a clue what it is anymore.

Amadd is right about the restrictions imposed on our society though. You can't go anywhere, or do anything without it being regulated. We are controlled by the banks, other multinationals and politicians who  continually steal from us to feather their nests.

The global rulers are the ones who are aiming for a one world where colour, creed or religion is irrelevant. What do they care if cultures clash?

Iraq was a very advanced society pre-Saddam, well ahead of the western world in culture and education until the Trilateral Commission was formed. Now it's regressive and violent and the people are fleeing or dying by the hundreds of thousands. Even basic needs can't be met.

Australia will eventually go the same way. We are resource rich and currently we are being invaded in a civilised way by stealth, but in another century this country won't even be a remnant of what it is today as the dominant, controlling cultures will overtake the weaker ones and there's nothing we can do about it.

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Yes you are right, there's no point staying in a country where I am a stranger. The scume are the people who built this country. Those whose relatives who died fighting for their future, they are the scum of the nation.
Now it belongs to people like you who will go so far as to change their nationality so they won't be the scum of the nation.
This country will become a mirror image of the sesspools of where the cultures originated unless they integrate with a culture which has proven to work...and work well.

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Well Australia is a democracy, and the majority decided it was needed to bring in immigrants to build the nation. If you don't accept that, then you don't really accept Australia. You only accept the decision of the people, when it happens to coincide with what you want.

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Come on, drop the facade. You are talking white and non-white, and that much is quite clear. You would consider Muslims, who could've been here for more generations than the vast majority of whites, and who could've had ancestors who worked the camel trains to pioneer and settle and build Australia, to be scum. Whilst Brits who arrived recently or one generation ago, you'd consider the non-scum people you'd like in Australia.

You're just a snivelling little racist scumbag, and thank God that people like you are going to become a thing of the past for the next generation of Australians.

So don't give me any of this crap about people who built this country.

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On the beaches of Gallipoli?? Half way round the world?? Acting as a decoy for the Brits? Come on give me a break. Like those Australians dying today, they died for someone elses imperialist cause, which has nothing at all to do with Australia.

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I haven't changed my nation whatsoever.

However I don't share the same sickening views as people like you.

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You'd be happy if that were the case wouldn't you? So it would vindicate your hatred and bias.

The word integrate seems to be bandied around a lot, yet is understood by few. What exactly do you mean by integrate?? I see plenty of integration... Or are you one of those simpleton hicks who demands that integration means you dress in a dictated style, eat dictated cuisine etc.?? Perhaps we could have culture-police, who could ensure that only tomato sauce is served with kebabs??? None of that bloody non-integrating hommous!! Or that all immigrants shop at target and wear the exact same clothes as the "average aussie"?? Perhaps we could issue all new immigrants with a pair of stubbies and thongs?

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Well Australia was a lot more racist back then, so they probably felt they had no choice but to "conform" to the way everyone else appeared. Mantra, my problem with the integration claims is that people confuse integration with uniform appearance. I want to know what exactly people mean when they whinge about immigrants not integrating. My understanding is, they see a Muslim woman wearing hijab, or hear some Indian with bollywood ringtones on the train, or too many kebab shops or chinese restaurants, and they think this means those people are not integrating.

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Precisely, many of them are coming from places we've helped to muck up. So shouldn't we rightfully bare some of the responsibility for cleaning up the mess?? Think about Iraq and Afghanistan, two of the countries we've just spent the past 7 or 8 years destroying. Of the millions of refugees from iraq, most are in Syria and Jordan, countries which seriously don't have anywhere near the ability to look after them as we do. Both of those countries are much more arid and over-populated than us, yet they're expected to take care of all those refugees. Likewise for Pakistan with the Afghan refugees. Pakistan already has about 7 times the population of Australia, in a land mass that's about 1/10th the size.

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Come on, we're far better equipped than most other nations on earth to handle these refugees. Certainly far better equipped than Syria for instance.