abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 11:10am:




Deceive, 'like that' ???


abu,

Why not just cut to the chase, on that issue [deception]?

And concede that ISLAM considers itself to be at war with all mankind [all 'unbelievers'].

And therefore, ISLAM justifies, and encourages, deception of ANYONE, where that deception is perceived [by a moslem liar] to aid the Jihad, i.e. to aid 'the Cause of Allah'.

ISLAM......a false religion, for a false people.

Treachery

is in the genes of mankind.

ISLAM teaches, and encourages it.

IMO, treachery, is one of the things God hates the most, in men.





According to the Koran, 'Allah is the best of schemers [deceivers - how true!].'

"And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...




And in the Bible,

the God of Israel

is attributed thus,

Job 12:16
With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived *and the deceiver* are his.






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Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.


Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.


Proverbs 8:5
O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
6  Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
7  For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8  All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.


Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 12:07pm:



LOL

Yes, good point soren.            

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 6:36pm:



Because its tedium wearies the spirit.

Islam lacks the spirit of interpretation, unfolding, the hermenutic engagement, dialogue. Its rules are arbitrary, like its oriental despot. It lacks that most important, elemental, crucial human need - relationship. It is not renewed in each person, in each encounter but quite the opposite - it boxes everyone into the same 7th century misundertsanding. It reduces everything to the arbitrary Arabian rules of the early 7th century. Submit, be a dhimmi or die - the threefold path of Islam.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 4:19pm:



I hope you did not ban him.
Did you?

Soren wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 9:58pm:


The question isn't about Islam, but about dullness.

You find things boring when you have no context to place them in. I find car engines boring because I know absolutely nothing about them.

Islam? I must admit, I find Islam a tad dull myself, but just as dull as High Anglicanism, or Orthadox Judaism, or Opus Dei.

As a teacher, you have to be very careful when you introduce new material to kids if you don't want them to get the "boring" label out. Most of the time you have to fool them into learning.

Islam might seem boring, but spirituality is plain hard work. The church can jazz it all up with talk of miracles or happy-clappy revivals or "prosperity" doctrine, but that's not spiritualisty, it's self-help. On the whole, spiritual work is painstaking, lonely, and relentless.

Of course, the best teachers fool you into learning...

mozzaok wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 10:23am:


Exactly. There's no pope in Islam, there's no central council, and Islam's glory days were when there was an Aristotelian love of ethics - when it was right that people debate their own lives and laws themselves.

The move to rules and regulations is not fundamentally Islamic, it's modern. The Sufi tradition is rich in art and poetry, and it was the Islamic world that preserved the Greek classics and enabled the Renaissance to happen.

True Islam, I believe, isn't about getting everyone to submit to Shariah law, it's about encouraging us to open up to silence and the radiance that lies within. It is about facilitating your own experience of the divine.

Like Buddhism, like hinduism, like some traditions of Judaism, and like some monastic orders in Christianity.

Sure, religion often triumphs over spirituality, but if you genuinely seek you can find.

And yes, the rest IS boring.

Yadda, you might have read or heard of some of the Torah - it's what Christians call the Old Testament.

In it, God told Abraham to kill his own son. David was told to go out and get 100 gentile foreskins (he came back with 500). Adulterers and sodomites must be stoned to death, you can't touch a woman within 7 days of her period, your gentile slaves must be circumcised...

Not to mention all the Philistines that had to be slaughtered and all the going out and multiplying in the name of God's chosen people.

Do we really believe that Judaism is intrinsically brutal and violent?

I don't have an imam, Yadda. I'm not Muslim. But I do think the need to seek out evil in OTHER people's ideas and beliefs is a very human trait, and one that's not confined to this thread alone.