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With her tight jeans, elaborate make-up and flowing hair, Tasha looks for all the world like a striking young woman. But her all-important Malaysian ID card declares she is a Muslim man.

"In Islam, there are only men and women, there are no transsexuals, and this is an Islamic country so that makes life very difficult for us," says the 28-year-old who has been cross-dressing since she was a child.

Like many transsexuals in Malaysia, a conservative and mostly Muslim country, the clash between ID card and appearance means Tasha is shunned by employers, and forced to make her living as a sex worker.

"It's a hard life, people don't like us, they're always making fun of us," she says as she prepares for another night in the grimy alleyways of Chow Kit, the red light district of the capital Kuala Lumpur.

Tasha endures drunken clients, violent pimps, and aggressive competition from other transsexual prostitutes, but what really frightens her are the raids mounted by police and religious authorities.

Enforcement officials from the Islamic Affairs Department (JAWI) -- notorious for swooping on nightclubs and motels in search of Muslims drinking or having extramarital sex -- regularly descend on the streets of Chow Kit.

Sex workers are sent scattering on their high heels, and those who are caught and hauled off face jail or intensive "counselling" sessions like a two-week interrogation Tasha once endured.

"They asked me why I didn't want to be a man, how I became like this and why I behave like this. But it didn't change my mind!" she says as she layers on make-up before hitting the streets where she has worked since she was 15.

Tasha puts on a brave face, but the the pain is clear when she relates how she has struggled for acceptance from her family, her religion and her country.

Although she is on the margins of society, she continues to perform the Muslim prayers, fasts during the holy month of Ramadan, and respected her mother's wish that she not undergo sex-change surgery.

"Of course I still believe I'm a Muslim, it's just that the religion cannot accept us transsexuals," she says.

"Why can't Islam accept us? We are human beings as well. I am also one of God's creations."

It was not always this way for transsexuals in Malaysia, where they are known as "mak nyah".

"Until the early 1980s transsexuals were usually accepted in Malaysia, they could go for a sex change and amend their identity card," says Teh Yik Koon from the National Defence University who has written a book on mak nyahs.

"At that time quite a few had sex changes, some became happily married and even adopted children."

But in 1983 a "fatwa", or Islamic ruling, that prohibited gender-reassignment surgery as well as cross-dressing was imposed on all Malaysian Muslims, who make up 60 percent of the multicultural population.

"So now they're not accepted, there's no such thing as transsexuals according to Islam in Malaysia," says Teh, who estimates there are in fact at least 20,000 in the country.
"The biggest dilemma for a Muslim transsexual is the ID card, because it states they are a Muslim man but when you look at them they look like a woman," she says.

Some do manage to find regular work, typically as hairdressers, make-up artists, and boutique sales assistants, but advocates say that at least 70 percent resort to prostitution.

"At 15 I ran away from home and to Chow Kit. I cried at first, but luckily I had other transsexuals who helped me find a place to stay," says Tasha.

On a good night she can earn 500 ringgit (142 US dollars), a huge sum by Malaysian standards, but since the economic downturn she now gets only two or three clients a night who may pay as little 50 ringgit a time.

Now that her mother has died, she plans to go to Thailand later this year and have sex-change and breast augmentation surgery.

"If you want to become pretty quickly, then you can't be afraid," she says. "Only then will I feel like a complete woman."

Transsexuals do not need to be selling their bodies in order to attract attention from authorities. Last year, Islamic religious police arrested 16 for taking part in a beauty pageant at a beachside resort.

Influential Islamic cleric Harussani Zakaria, who helped establish the 1983 fatwa, defended the strict approach and said that transsexuals should use their "willpower" and adopt a traditional lifestyle.

"Of course they won't get a job if they turn up wearing a woman's dress. All religions are opposed to this," he said.

"You cannot be transsexual, you are either a woman or a man. Why do they want to go against Allah?" he asked. "If God has created you as a boy, then act like a boy."



http://www.smh.com.au/world/twilight-life-of-malaysias-muslim-transsexuals-20090...
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Reply #1 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 11:58am
 
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"In Islam, there are only men and women, there are no transsexuals


So what is Mukhannath then? This article is false, and does not reflect upon Islam's supposed repression at all.

Islam recognises people, who were born with 'indeterminate sex', to be blameless for their condition. That however does not excuse any sins/crimes they undertake and blame on this condition, such as prostitution or lewdness or homosexual activities, any more than a person born with an overly angry temperament could blame assault or murder on his condition.
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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 2:10pm
 
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......But in 1983 a "fatwa", or Islamic ruling, that prohibited gender-reassignment surgery as well as cross-dressing was imposed ......


according to abu islam has not existed for anywhere from 100 to 1000 years, muslims don't have a ratification of whatever it is, the laws come and go according to how extreme the protagainists are, yet for all this it is completely blameless for anything ever !!!!!!!
yet, abu does not condemn any muslims actions.
so, it is not any muslims fault, nor islams fault of any bad thing ever done anywhere.
just continue in your headbanging, sexist, arrogant fantasy abu.

the west knows what islam is, even if you dont.

"do what we say or we will publically whip, behead or lop off onr of your hands, do not question the koran, it is right because it says it is"
A dog leaves more humanity in tightly wound coils in the front yard than islam dreams of.

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according to abu islam has not existed for anywhere from 100 to 1000 years


You said Islam hadn't done anything for a few thousand years, I corrected you, since Islam has only been around for about 1400 years... how on earth you misconstrued that to mean "Islam has not existed for anywhere from 100 to 1000 years" is beyond me. Are you normal mate?

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......But in 1983 a "fatwa", or Islamic ruling, that prohibited gender-reassignment surgery as well as cross-dressing was imposed ......


That's right, "gender-reassignment surgery" is forbidden in Islam, as is cross dressing. That's got nothing to do with someone being born with indeterminate gender though. One is a biological fact of how the person is born, the other is actions that one chooses to carry out. They are completely seperate issues.
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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 8:41pm
 

abu - and yo0u said islam started to leave their belief system about 1000 years ago.
so the last islamic state was anywhere up to 1000 years ago.

but your smoke and mirrors tricks will continue again and again.


the issues are not seperate. the issue is compassion, which islam has none.
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said islam started to leave their belief system about 1000 years ago.


I said no such thing.

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so the last islamic state was anywhere up to 1000 years ago.


This one I clearly stated, and even showed you a news clipping from the abolition of the last Islamic state, in 1924.

Sprint, you're off with the fairies mate, you don't seem to have the remotest clue about what you're babbling on about.
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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 8:26am
 

abu - you're right, sorry I misread it last time.
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You will be separated from men in all public places including universities and transportation
You have to obey the Islamic dress code and you will be punished if you don’t
You have no right to travel without the permission of the male of the family
You have no right to divorce and if you get divorce you won’t have the custody of your children
You will face imprisonment, flogging and paying fine if you were arrested while walking with your boyfriend or wore make-up
You have no place to go and seek refuge if your husband abuses you, beats you up or rapes you
You have no right to work if your husband disagrees
You will be subjected to oppression and discrimination in all aspects of your life.
You will be stoned to death if you have sexual relation out of marriage.

laws from iran - an islamic state.


“Nothing is more harmful to men than women....” Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Num. 33.
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “If a woman spends the night deserting her husband's bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband).” Sahih Bukhari Vol.7, Book 62, Num.122. Also Sahih Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 54, Num.460.
“Women, slaves and camels are same; must seek Allah's refuge from all these....” Sunaan Abu Dawud 11.2155.

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“A man who restrains himself from committing an honor killing, leaving this unpleasant burden to the government, negates the values of virility advocated by Islam.” - “Islamic Action Front” party of Jordan

"A  victim of rape every minute somewhere in the world. Why? No one to blame but herself. She displayed  her beauty to the entire world. She degraded herself by being the object of sexual desire and thus becoming vulnerable to man who looks at her for  gratification of his sexual urge."   Sheik Faiz Mohamad, speech at Bankstown Town Hall, Sydney, Australia,  18th March 2005.  Source:  "Veiled threat an insult to all"  by Miranda Devine, The Sun Herald,  24th April 2005.


“Woman was made to bear and feed children. Therefore she is very emotional. And she is forgetful, because if she did not forget how it is to give birth she would not have another child. That is why she will not be as reliable a witness as a man.” - A quote by a Muslim woman, “The Age” “Life behind a veil of Islam” 3/3/1992 pg 11.

“A married woman should endure any violence or torture imposed on her by her husband for she is fully at his disposal. Without his permission she may not leave her house even for a good action (such as charitable work). Otherwise her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her.” - Iranian religious leader Hojatoleslam Imani.

“We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity.” - Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad in an interview with Lisbon’s Publica magazine.

“A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanents wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister....It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.” - From Ayatollah Khomeini's book “Tahrirolvasyleh” Vol 4, Gom, Iran, 1990.

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Reply #9 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 10:58am
 
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SUDANESE woman journalist Lubna Ahmed al-Hussein was sent to jail after refusing to pay a 200-dollar fine imposed early today for wearing trousers deemed "indecent", one of her lawyers said.

"She has been taken to the women's prison in Omdurman," the twin city of Khartoum, Kamal Omar told AFP.

Earlier, a Khartoum court spared Hussein a whipping for wearing "indecent" trousers but instead fined her 500 Sudanese pounds (200 dollars).

"I won't pay. I'd rather go to prison," Hussein told AFP by telephone before she was taken to jail, though her lawyers said they would try to persuade her to pay up.

Speaking as they emerged from the court hearing which was barred to the press, witnesses said the court had ruled that Hussein be jailed for a month if she failed to pay the fine.

Under Sudanese law, she could have been sentenced to a maximum of 40 lashes for "indecency" under Islamic principles after being arrested with 12 other women wearing trousers in a Khartoum restaurant in July.

Women in trousers are not a rare sight in Sudan but the authorities can take offence at trousers which reveal too much of a woman's shape, leading to accusations from rights groups that judgement is arbitrary.

Ten of the women arrested in July on the indecent dress charge, including Christians, were subsequently summoned by the police and each given 10 lashes.

Hussein could have suffered a similar punishment, but instead the journalist challenged the charge and began a publicity campaign to try to have the law changed.



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26041967-2703,00.html
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this ones for you abu.

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An Afghan journalist imprisoned for 20 years for blasphemy for downloading an internet article about women's rights and Islam has been released, an international media rights group said on Monday.

Sayed Perwiz Kambakhsh, 24, was freed early after President Hamid Karzai signed a pardon a few weeks ago, Reporters Without Borders (RSP - Reporters Sans Frontieres) said, citing the journalist's lawyer.

"This case will be remembered as a miscarriage of justice marked by religious intolerance, police mistreatment and incompetence on the part of certain judges," said RSF secretary general Jean-Francois Julliard.

Kabul must ensure that blasphemy, as defined in Afghanistan's Sharia-based constitution, "is no longer used to bring politically motivated charges and to suppress free expression", he added.

Kambakhsh, a reporter for the Jahan-e-Naw (New World) newspaper, was arrested in October 2007, then sentenced to die by a tribunal in Mazar-i-Sharif in January 2008 for downloading from an Iranian website an analysis of what the Koran says about women, RSF said.

That sentence was changed to 20 years' imprisonment by an appeals court in the Afghan capital Kabul in October 2008 - a sentence upheld by the supreme court in March this year.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/afghan-journalist-jailed-for-downloading-womens-righ...


this is your belief system abu. tell us all about it.
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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 4:47pm
 
I wander why UN human rights body doesn't ban women treatment by this religion?

This is not fit for 21st century!
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the human rights commission won't, they are run by muslims.
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Reply #13 - Sep 9th, 2009 at 9:25am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 8th, 2009 at 10:58am:
Ten of the women arrested in July on the indecent dress charge, including Christians, were subsequently summoned by the police and each given 10 lashes.

Hussein could have suffered a similar punishment, but instead the journalist challenged the charge and began a publicity campaign to try to have the law changed.






Exactly.

It is a tenet within ISLAM that 'Silence is consent'.

And a very real reason why we in the West, all need to grow a pair, just like this Sudanese woman journalist.


Part 123 - Silence is Consent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g15Wk-1zNg




Moslems do not respect us, non-moslems, for being tolerant, or 'accommodating' of ever more [and YES!, there will be!] moslem demands.

Moslems only see our acquiescence to their demands, as our weakness, and as PROOF of cultural inferiority.

Moslems do not respect righteousness, or justice, or truth.

Moslems have respect for themselves, and for their own culture, alone.

ISLAM / moslems believe, exclusively, in their own superiority, and believe in the 'necessary' subjugation [enslavement] of all other un-ISLAMIC peoples.




Our own freedoms are not, and were never, 'free',
.....our forefathers purchased our freedoms at the cost of their blood.

The freedoms which we enjoy today, were gifted to us, by previous generations.

I we are not prepared to defend those freedoms,
.....then this generation is declaring that we do not deserve them.

If we non-moslems are not prepared to die, to defend our freedoms, from ISLAM,
.....we will most certainly die as the slaves of ISLAM / moslems.

That is the message that we must convey to others.





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London, Sep. 4 : British hate preacher Anjem Choudary has controversially demanded capital punishment for Koran-bashing author Sebastian Faulks if he is found guilty under sharia law.

“Mr Faulks was extremely naïve for what he said and it could have some grave consequence for him. Someone like this needs to be assessed in an Islamic court of law and if he’s found guilty then there would be capital punishment,” the Daily Express quoted him, as saying.

“Just as we chopping the hand off a thief and stoning the adulterer, we have for the one who insults the Prophet the death penalty,” he added.

Last week, Faulks had attracted Muslim community’s wrath by describing Koran as “the rantings of a schizophrenic” and “very disappointing from a literary point of view”.

Faulks, the author of James Bond novel Devil May Care, had said that the words of Prophet Mohammed were "one-dimensional", and had criticised the Koran for not telling stories, like the Old Testament.

Although Faulks has apologised for calling Koran the “rantings of a schizophrenic,” Islam4UK a radical group associated with Choudary posted an article on its website entitled, “Sebastian Faulks on a Death Wish?”

“May Allah punish the oppressors and deal with the slanderers,” it added.

Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens, of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “Choudary and his followers are seeking to impose their will on the population of this country through subversion and incitement to violence.

“The weakness of Choudary’s fascist ideology could not be better illustrated than by his inability to provide an intellectual response to criticism, instead resorting to veiled threats and intimidation.”

However, Faulks declined to comment. His spokeswoman said: “He apologises if his comments about the Koran have offended Muslims.” (ANI)



http://www.topnews.in/uk-hate-preacher-demands-koranbashing-author-s-trial-under...

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Turkey has decided to not sign a European Union declaration in support of a jailed Kazakh reporter that stated journalists serve the development of democracy, the rule of law, human rights and fundamental freedoms.

The Sept. 4 declaration was in support of Ramazan Yesergepov, the editor of the weekly Alma-Ata Info, who was arrested in January and received three years in prison on charges of disclosing state secrets.

The EU released a statement explaining the service free media provides for a country. The statement was released by Sweden, the term president of the union, and signed by all members; candidate countries Croatia and Macedonia; potential future members Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro; and Iceland and Norway.

Among European countries, only Turkey failed to sign the declaration.

“Journalists should not be subject to the same obligations with regard to nondisclosure of official government information that might be imposed on public servants and state officials, but should be free to report on all issues of interest to the public, including commentary on how the state is run,” the statement said.

The union also called on Kazakh authorities to release Yesergepov pending a full review of his case and to permit him to restart publication of Alma-Ata Info.

The declaration also criticized the fact that Yesergepov’s trial was held mostly behind closed doors with no public scrutiny.

Turkey’s attitude toward an EU statement released against Uzbekistan’s limitations imposed on the media was the same. The EU accused Uzbek authorities of trying to silence the media through intimidation and criminal proceedings.

Turkey, which refused to back these two statements, supported the union when it condemned Russia for violence perpetrated against journalists.



http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-fails-to-support-media-freedom-2...

comments please abu ?
Is this just other threats of violence from other muslims to stop any criticism ?
it is not  a religion of peace.
mohammad was not peaceful, islams history is not peaceful, mohammads directions are to kill.
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