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Reply #15 - Sep 10th, 2009 at 8:25am
 

no comments abu ??

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A Jordanian youth has been charged with premeditated murder  after allegedly stabbing to death his divorced teenage sister because she "knew many men", police said.

The suspect, 18, "stabbed to death his 17-year-old divorced sister with a kitchen knife because he claimed she beat their mother and that she was mean and knew many men", a police spokesman told AFP.

"Police arrested him and he confessed to the crime," in the Red Sea port city of Aqaba.

Murder is punishable by the death penalty in Jordan, but in the case of so-called "honour killings", a court usually commutes or reduces sentences, particularly if the victim's family urges leniency.
On Tuesday, US-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) urged Jordan to reform its penal code, which it says condones the murder of women as "honour crimes". In the past, parliament has refused to institute harsher penalties.

Around 15-20 women are murdered each year in Jordan in the name of honour, despite government efforts to fight such crimes. So far this year, there have been 15 reported.

In August, a man was charged with shooting dead his pregnant sister for marrying without family permission, after luring her to another brother's wedding in a conspiracy with him.

In another incident, a 41-year-old man was accused of murdering his 16-year-old niece to "cleanse" the family's honour after she was raped.

And in July, a 20-year-old man stabbed his married sister and smashed her head with a rock after accusing her of "immoral behaviour".



http://www.smh.com.au/world/honour-killing-brother-on-murder-charge-20090910-fhv...


how does murdering your sister who was a rape victim make your family more "honourable " ??

would you clarify this please abu ?
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Reply #16 - Sep 10th, 2009 at 9:06am
 
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how does murdering your sister who was a rape victim make your family more "honourable " ??

would you clarify this please abu ?


I've clarified my position on these honour murders enough times now sprint. Anyone who still hasn't got it, isn't going to.
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Reply #17 - Sep 10th, 2009 at 10:26am
 

Abu - what did you say about honor killings?

let me guess - "that's not islam"
hey - it's only muslims that do it.
it is sanctioned in islamic countries.

your deception about it holds no basis.
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Reply #18 - Sep 10th, 2009 at 11:09am
 
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Abu - what did you say about honor killings?


You were involved in some of the threads, so I'd think you know.

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hey - it's only muslims that do it.


Even if this blatant lie were the case, it would be irrelevant. What I believe is what I believe. You are free to judge me upon what I believe, not what others supposedly believe.

If you bothered to read the threads about honour murders properly, you'd see I brought numerous examples of Christians, Hindus, Sikhs etc. all committing honour murders. And several Christian countries in which such crimes are treated with diminished responsibility.

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it is sanctioned in islamic countries.


They are sanctioned in countries with Muslim majority, and as stated above in countries with Christian majority. Does Christianity therefore sanction it?

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your deception about it holds no basis.


Deceiving you would be impossible, since you are self-deceived already. Nobody can tell you anything, since your mind is already closed to what you consider the situation to be.

Discussing with you is futile sprint, you have no intellect to be swayed or reasoned with.
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Reply #19 - Sep 12th, 2009 at 4:24pm
 
on and on they go.

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RIOT police have arrested 10 people outside a London mosque after clashes broke out between Muslims and anti-Islamic protesters on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

About 1,000 mostly Muslim protesters, many with masks over their faces, were involved in running scuffles around the mosque in Harrow, northwest London, following a demonstration by a small anti-Islamic group.

"Items including bricks and bottles have been thrown at officers," said a spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police amid a tense stand-off as the sun set over Harrow Central Mosque.

One person was arrested to prevent a breach of the peace, and nine others for possession of offensive weapons including bottles of bleach, a hammer and a chisel, he added.

Police moved in after a crowd of angry Muslim youths, some wearing masks over their faces, threw sticks and stones at a small group of about a dozen mostly shaven-headed protesters.

"This is England, I should be able to demonstrate," said one of the anti-Islamic protesters.

"I have got two sons in the army. They are out in Afghanistan fighting, but the police doesn't (sic) want to defend us here today," said the man in his late 40s, who declined to give his name.

In a tense atmosphere after initial clashes subsided, police surrounded the white demonstrators, to shield them from the angry Muslims some 500m from the mosque.

The demonstration was organised by Stop Islamification of Europe, which said ahead of the demo that it planned to remain peaceful.

Stephen Gash of the SIOE - whose motto is "Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense" - said before the demo: "We don't want any more mosques until all this hatred is sorted out."

But the violence erupted when they were confronted by hundreds of protesters who the police said were either members of a group called United Against Fascism, or Muslims providing support to the mosque.

At one point hundreds of Muslim protesters surged towards a man who they believed was a member of the anti-Islam protest, as he ran in the direction of police lines.

It appeared that the man was struck several times before police pushed the Muslim protesters back.

Khairul Khan, 34, said Muslims were not being aggressive.

"We are just defending our own mosque. We are doing nothing wrong, we are just trying to stop them attacking the house of our God," he said.

Muslim protester Abdullah Al-Andalusi, 30, said: "Anyone should be allowed to demonstrate all they want, but if you are inciting hatred against any human being, then you should not be allowed to do that.

"And under English law you can't do that."

Concerns about violence have been heightened by clashes last weekend at a rally against Islamic fundamentalism held by a right-wing group, the English Defence League.

More than 30 people were arrested in Birmingham, Britain's second city, when the demonstrators fought with anti-fascist campaigners.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26062685-2703,00.html


hahahaha - show me the christian society where a rape victim gets murdered by her familly to save their arrogance .
or, show me the quote from the NT that supports it.

member the story when jesus saves the woman who was to be stoned for adultery?
"let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
That's christianity.

you level of personal abuse is waning, come on abu, pray a bit harder for the right tirade to hurl
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Reply #20 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 7:11pm
 
Did you watch the video of it?? Those Nazi scumbags scampering off with their tails between their legs, beautiful.
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Reply #21 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 8:20pm
 

we have seen "the religion of peace" at work before.
I have seem muslims giving prayers up for terrorists.

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........Police moved in after a crowd of angry Muslim youths, some wearing masks over their faces, threw sticks and stones at a small group of about a dozen..........

......... But the violence erupted when they were confronted by hundreds of protesters who the police said were either members of a group called United Against Fascism, or Muslims providing support to the mosque.......

...........At one point hundreds of Muslim protesters surged towards a man .......


very muslim, once they have the advantage of numbers, it is NOT peaceful.
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Reply #22 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 8:44pm
 
Honour killings:
Abu is right, it is not a Islamic disease. It's a backward practice that is practiced in ALL communities in the middle east and Africa. Christian communities, Muslim communities, Jewish communities, Hindu communities, Sikh communities, tribal communities, pagan communities...you name it. The fact that most people are only aware of it happening in Muslim communities reflects the population makeup of the middle east and Afria as well as our mainstream media's love of portraying Islam negatively. It does NOT reflect the teachings of Islam. On another note, did you know that Islam began as a proto-feminist movement? The Prophet (PBUH) gave women in Arabia rights that they were not granted in the Christian world until around the 19th century. Unfortunately, many Muslim men have chosen to ignore the teachings of their religion. Also note that while gender inequality and paternalism in CHristian communities was the result of men wanting to "protect" women and "protect themselves", in Muslim communities today it is due to a "fear" of what women are capable of. It's a cultural difference.
The practice has its roots way before the advent of Islam and the Prophet (PBUH) actually campaigned to rid Arabia of it. You mention that Jesus (AS) stopped a woman from being stoned--there are multiple accounts of the Prophet (PBUH) doing that. 
I'll quote the Quran.
"And those who accuse their wives and have no witnesses except themselves, let one of them testify four times, bearing Allah to witness, that he speaks the truth. And the fifth (time) that the curse of Allah be on him, if he is lying. And it shall avert the punishment from her, if she testify four times, bearing Allah to witness, that he is lying. And the fifth (time) that the wrath of Allah be on her, if he speaks the truth." -24:6-9

As can be seen, this passage places the man and wife on terms of complete equality. The sworn denial of the wife is exactly equal to the sworn accusation of the husband. After the fifth swearing, which is that of invoking Allah's curse on one's own self in case of being the liar, the woman is free of the accusation and no one can punish her.
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Reply #23 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 

blutigeroo - feel free to start a thread on the sexism of the koran and islam.
it is better to keep topics contained.
oh - abu has banned me from the islam thread, so if you want me to participate, might have to start it elsewhere.
Not in the spiritual forum.

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Reply #24 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 8:59pm
 
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very muslim, once they have the advantage of numbers, it is NOT peaceful.


The Nazi fools came and protested outside a mosque, pretty stupid if you ask me.

Why am I not surprised you're standing on the same side of the fence as Nazis sprint??

Following in the footsteps of old Martin Luther eh??
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Reply #25 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 9:03pm
 

why is it stupid to protest outside a mosque?

Would the peaceful muslims within swarm out and murder them?
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Reply #26 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 9:57pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 8:54pm:
blutigeroo - feel free to start a thread on the sexism of the koran and islam.
it is better to keep topics contained.
oh - abu has banned me from the islam thread, so if you want me to participate, might have to start it elsewhere.
Not in the spiritual forum.

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There is no need for a thread on sexism in the Koran because anyone who has read AND understood it knows there is none. (read and understood as opposed to just read without understanding to context of each and every verse). Period.
But, does your silence on my reply to the honour killings mean that you have accepted that I am right about honour killings being a backwards cultural practice rather than a religous practice?
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Reply #27 - Sep 14th, 2009 at 9:05am
 

Again, feel free to start a thread on honour killikngs.
It really is better to keep topics contained, can't find a thing otherwise.

by the way, how many husbands is a muslim woman "allowed" ?
4 ?
or 11 or so like mohammad had ?
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Reply #28 - Sep 14th, 2009 at 9:04pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 7:11pm:
Did you watch the video of it?? Those Nazi scumbags scampering off with their tails between their legs, beautiful.


Yes 1000s of Muslims and their leftist supporters could attack 30 or so protestors. Islamic bravery at its finest.

I'm glad you feel it's ok to beat up protesters you disagree with. I'm sure you wouldn't mind then if the next pro-Hamas rally gets a beat down.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #29 - Sep 14th, 2009 at 10:30pm
 
Funny Calanen, cos a few months ago when the shoe was on the exact opposite foot, and a small group of Muslims protested at a troop homecoming, bit off more than they could chew, and ended up in the exact same postion as your Nazi comrades, you thought it was quite a dose of poetic justice... At least I am objective enogh to see the similarities between these two situations... you apparently are not.
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