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Reply #30 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 12:08am
 
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At least I am objective enogh to see the similarities between these two situations... you apparently are not.


You couldn't learn what 'objective' meant if you stopped headbutting the carpet for Allan long enough to have it tattooed on your forehead.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #31 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 8:13am
 
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MUSLIMS who commit adultery in Indonesia's semi-autonomous province of Aceh could be stoned to death after the provincial parliament last night passed laws expanding Islamic law.

The new laws, which also include multiple lashings in public for those caught having pre-marital sex, were opposed by women's groups and the province's governor, and were rammed through just weeks before a new, far more moderate parliament was to be convened.

The laws also include new punishments for consuming alcohol, rape, pedophilia and homosexuality, although none are as tough as the gruesome death penalty for adulterers.
Bustanul Arifin, a lawmaker from the Islamist Prosperous Justice Party who sits on the committee that oversaw the bill, said some local members of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's Democrat Party disagreed with measures such as the stoning to death, and wanted to reduce the number of lashes, which can be up to 100 for some offences.

''But it was not possible because we based the law on the Koran and the hadith. You cannot decrease it,'' Mr Arifin told the Herald. The hadith are oral accounts of the prophet Muhammad's life and times in Saudi Arabia in the 7th century.

Despite the passage of the laws, their future remains uncertain. Mr Arifin said they could be redrafted over the next three days before being handed to the Governor, Irwandi Yusuf.

Also, Indonesia's home affairs minister and the national parliament could overturn them, if they judge they contravene national laws and Indonesia's commitment to various international legal conventions.

Aceh, Indonesia's most devoutly Islamic area, has had a form of sharia, or Islamic law, since 2002. It mandated women to wear headscarves, and public canings for those caught gambling. A sharia police force has been created but many of the provisions of the law have not been enforced due to widespread resentment among citizens.

Elections earlier this year saw Islamic hardliners perform poorly while the secular Partai Aceh, made up of former independence fighters, did well. But the Partai Aceh-dominated parliament will not convene until next month.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/stoning-penalty-for-aceh-adultery-20090915-fo0d.html

these islamics sicken me.
they are voted out, but STILL shove their disgusting ancient violent horrid ways down peoples throats.

also note - murder is based on the koran and hadiths accordiing to these muslims.
unlike we are told by muslims here.
who is wrong, who is lying ?
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Reply #32 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 9:26am
 
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these islamics sicken me.
they are voted out, but STILL shove their disgusting ancient violent horrid ways down peoples throats.


Well if they were voted in... and it's still their time... then what's the problem? Any government is within it's rights to keep governing until it leaves office is it not??

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also note - murder is based on the koran and hadiths accordiing to these muslims.


I think you really need to learn the difference between murder and capital punishment.

Is it murder in the U.S when they execute a criminal??

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who is wrong, who is lying ?


Nobody is wrong or lying, you're just a bit too simple to understand the concept of capital punishment. You might not agree with it, that's fine, but it's recognised throughout the world as being something different to murder. And I haven't seen you once criticise the U.S for using the death penalty, which tends to indicate you're not really that opposed to it.
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Reply #33 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:41am
 

no, when a new govt is in the wings, the old outgoing govt makes no changes.
it's called a caretaker govt.
to bring in last minuite changes is arrogant, rude, unethical and against the peoples wishes.

i am against capital punishment. it is ineffective, cruel  and unjust.
I am strongly against mixing religion with politics/legal service.
that's alweays repressive , often backward and cruel

you may not realise this, but normal people are disgusted when they learn islam advocates murdering those who leave the oppressive regime
call it what you want, it's repulsive
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Reply #34 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 11:04am
 

lovely circular closed loop logic islamics have displayed here.
if you disagree with tyem, it is blasphemy and you die.

and according to abu, that's fine, he's all in favour of it.
"String 'em high" - is that your motto abu ?


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Afghanistan's upper house of parliament has condemned the presidential pardon of a journalist sentenced to 20 years in prison for downloading an internet article about women's rights and Islam.

Sayed Perwiz Kambakhsh, 24, was initially sentenced to death for blasphemy two years ago, but an appeals court later commuted the sentence to 20 years.

The case caused worldwide outrage and Kambakhsh was freed earlier this month after being pardoned by President Hamid Karzai, who is seeking re-election.

The upper house "expresses its strongest concerns and annoyance and considers this decision contrary to the Islamic values and the laws in place in the country", said the statement signed by the speaker of the upper house on Monday.

It called on Kambakhsh to serve his term, and said that those convicted of apostasy and hatred of Islam must be punished.

The house "emphatically advises responsible authorities and the presidency" not to carry out such pardons, the statement said. The upper house contains a contingent of religious hardliners.

Under Islamic law, which is the basis of Afghan's constitution, blasphemy is punishable by death.


Media watchdog Reporters Without Borders (RSF) said last week the case would be remembered as "a miscarriage of justice marked by religious intolerance, police mistreatment and incompetence on the part of certain judges".

Kabul must ensure that blasphemy "is no longer used to bring politically motivated charges and to suppress free expression," it added.
Kambakhsh, a reporter for the Jahan-e-Naw (New World) newspaper, was arrested in October 2007 for downloading from an Iranian website an analysis of what the Koran says about women, RSF has said.

The sentence of 20 years' imprisonment by an appeals court in the Afghan capital Kabul last October was upheld by the supreme court in March.



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Reply #35 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 12:58pm
 

an infidels lot in a muslim country ........

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If the infidels live among the Muslims, in accordance with the conditions set out by the Prophet -there is nothing wrong with it provided they pay Jizya[10] to the Islamic treasury.
Other conditions are. that they do not renovate a church or a monastery, do not rebuild ones that were destroyed, that they feed for three days any Muslim who passes by their homes. that they rise when a Muslim wishes to sit, that they do not imitate Muslims in dress and speech, nor ride horses, nor own swords, nor arm themselves with any kind of weapon; that they do not sell wine, do not show the cross, do not ring church bells, do not raise their voices during prayer, that they shave their hair in front so as to make them easily identifiable, do not incite anyone against the Muslims, and do not strike a Muslim.
If they violate these conditions, they have no protection. [11]




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Reply #36 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 1:28pm
 
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that they rise when a Muslim wishes to sit


Isn't that what the magistrate is trying to enforce for Muslims at present in that Melbourne court case??

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that they do not imitate Muslims in dress and speech


That's quite clearly talking about spying. non-Muslims are not permitted to pretend to be Muslims.

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nor ride horses, nor own swords, nor arm themselves with any kind of weapon


Can Muslims drive tanks and own RPG's in Australia? No. These are the vehicles and weaponry of today, as those were of previous times.

Besides, Christians were never prohibited from riding horses, the context is quite clearly to a military usage.

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that they do not sell wine


Are Muslims allowed to sell Qat in Australia???

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do not show the cross


Hijab bans..

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do not ring church bells


Likewise Muslims cannot make public calls to prayer over their loudpseakers or from on top of their minarets...

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do not incite anyone against the Muslims


Sedition laws...

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and do not strike a Muslim


Isn't assault illegal in all countries??  Grin
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Reply #37 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:43pm
 
abu, as usual , selective and deceptive.
it's rather disappointing really

these are repressive discriminatory laws against nonmuslims (infidels).
there are no laws elsewhere in the world against muslims based on your beliefs.

just to take your selected first two denials :
a judge has authority.
not imitating muslims in dress makes infidels stand out, so a muslim can leech at his house to be fed to 3 days.

if a muslim kills an infidel, he gets fined and jailed for one year at max.
if an infidel kills a muslim, he gets stoned.
the laws are disgusting, the belief likewise.

the whole west should be honestly told of islams duplicity, biased and deceipt.
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Reply #38 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 7:18pm
 
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if a muslim kills an infidel, he gets fined and jailed for one year at max.
if an infidel kills a muslim, he gets stoned.


I think you're confused with Judaism mate. Jews do have laws like this, Islam certainly does not.

Perhaps you've been reading the Talmud by mistake?? Or even the Bible??
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Reply #39 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 7:47pm
 

If that's the jewish laws I hold them in the same regard.

unfortunately due to your extended biased selective answering, deflections and deception I don't trust much you say.
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Reply #40 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 7:55pm
 
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If that's the jewish laws I hold them in the same regard.


Yeh right.. I'm sure you do..

Only problem is that being a Jew-hater isn't in vogue anymore (about 80 years too late), so you'll just have to be content being a Muslim-hater.

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unfortunately due to your extended biased selective answering, deflections and deception I don't trust much you say.


How convenient.
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Reply #41 - Sep 15th, 2009 at 8:15pm
 

i'm not a muslim hater, nor a jew hater.
I have agreed with and applauded the actions of some muslims
I have condemned actions of some jews.

islamic laws suck big time.
you work it out
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