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Sep 17th, 2009 at 9:56am
 
Well it was only a matter of time, before an 'Australian Fritzl' emerged. What is it about Western societies that leads these animals, no.. worse than animals, to commit incest and act in such a manner?? Wouldn't have anything to do with our society's views about sexual freedom and promiscuity would it?? When you legalise adultery, then homosexuality... then incest is the natural progression is it not?? After all, the exact same arguments that apply to homosexuality (ie. consenting adults should be free to do as they like) can also apply to incest (although obviously not in this case, due to her age at the start of the abuse).



Victorian man 'had four children with daughter'


By Padraic Murphy
Herald Sun
September 17, 2009 12:01am

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The man is accused of keeping his daughter a virtual prisoner, raping her almost daily from when she was 11 years old


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* Man allegedly raped daughter for 30 years
    * Fathered four children to her
    * Case "could be worse than Fritzl"
    * Herald Sun: Mother 'never suspected'
    * Herald Sun: Neighbour 'not my business'


A VICTORIAN man who allegedly raped his daughter almost daily for 30 years, kept her as a virtual prisoner and fathered her four children, has been charged by police.

In what has been described as a case as shocking as Josef Fritzl's in Austria, child welfare advocates have called for a full inquiry amid claims authorities failed to investigate the alleged abuse despite being warned decades ago, the Herald Sun reports.

One source close to the case claimed it could be "every bit as bad, if not worse, than the Josef Fritzl case. Especially the fact that she had so many children to her father".

The Herald Sun has also spoken to neighbours of the family, who said they had suspicions of abuse but did not go to the authorities because they did not want to cause trouble.
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The victim's mother claims to have been unaware of any abuse, despite sharing a house with her daughter, husband and grandchildren until 2005.

All four children were born with health problems in major Melbourne hospitals. None have fathers listed on their birth certificates, raising concerns about why questions were not asked at the time. One of the children died from severe developmental problems soon after birth.

The woman and her three surviving children are in a safe house, being cared for by authorities.

The man was charged in February, after his alleged victim approached police - three years after she first alerted officers but said she did not want them to act because she feared for her safety.

The man denied raping his daughter, but was charged after DNA tests allegedly showed he was the father of her children. He will appear in court in November.

It is understood the family has been known to authorities for more than 30 years. Three of the man's children with his wife died - two of cot death and another drowned.

The surviving children are understood to have spent periods in care.

It is claimed the man allegedly threatened his daughter with violence against her mother and siblings while he raped her at a variety of properties in Melbourne and country Victoria.

The alleged rapes are said to have begun when the victim was aged about 11 in the 1970s and continued until 2007.

Police have known about the alleged abuse since 2005, when the woman came forward, but were powerless to act because she said she did not want to co-operate with police because she was scared of her father.

Details of the case come after Premier John Brumby last night hosted crisis talks to fix the child protection system after a scathing report by the Ombudsman.

Source: News.com.au
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Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 10:01am
 

some people such as this have voted they don't want to live in our society by their actions.

Is there an isolated deserted barren windswept island we can drop him off on ?

perhaps off SA, where big sharks and cold water is prevalent.



hey abu - she was older than aisha when mohammad stated to pork her
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Reply #2 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 12:51pm
 
abu,

Of course, incest never happens from within moslem societies.

CORRECTION...

Of course, incest is never
reported
from within moslem societies.


Q.
Why not?

A.
Because such revelations would be insulting to ISLAM / moslems [Allah's 'finest' people   /sarc off ].
......and are therefore suppressed.





But some stories of disgusting, depraved moslem actions do emerge from the heart of THAT darkness......

CHRISTIAN GIRLS, 13- AND 10-YEAR-OLD GIRLS ABDUCTED, RAPED, AND FORCED INTO THE FOLD OF ISLAM



July 12, 2008
Pakistan: Christian girls kidnapped; captors file for custody, claiming girls converted to Islam
And the police weren't about to be of any help without outside pressure: The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' as the officers said the girls had embraced Islam in a written statement."
"Pakistan: Girls kidnapped, allegedly forced to convert,"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021731.php



July 14, 2008
Pakistan: 13- and 10-year-old girls abducted, raped, and forced into the fold of Islam
More Christian girls being forced to convert to the religion of peace. As this report notes, the Muslim majority, including the police, are either actively or passively aiding the abductors, a common phenomenon in Muslim majority countries, such as Egypt, where Coptic girls are regularly abducted.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021760.php



update....

July 20, 2008
Pakistan: Court grants custody of Christian girls to Muslim kidnappers
Because they converted to Islam, you see. More on this story. "Pakistan: Court Grants Custody of Girls to Kidnappers," from Compass Direct News, July 18:
   ISTANBUL, July 18 (Compass Direct News) A Pakistani couple has appealed a court decision to award custody of their two daughters, 10 and 13, to the children’s alleged kidnappers. The court based its custody decision on the girls’ conversion to Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021866.php



January 14, 2009
Pakistan: Christian girls drugged, coverted to Islam, sold as sex slaves
Muslim men are permitted to have sex with the "captives their right hands possess" (Qur'an 4:24). "Christian Girls Drugged and Sold As Sex Slaves in Pakistan," from AINA, January 13:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024393.php

NOTE: Jihadwatch archives are 'down' temporarily, for server changeover.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/ironing-out-the-bugs.html#comments






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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #3 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 1:09pm
 
Are you aware what incest actually means Yadda?

It would appear not. Or was that the only copy/paste line you had handy at the time?  Grin
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Reply #4 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 1:19pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 1:09pm:
Are you aware what incest actually means Yadda?

It would appear not. Or was that the only copy/paste line you had handy at the time?
  Grin



The kidnap and rape of young Christian girls, by moslems, in moslem jurisdictions, is amusing is it?      re smiley?



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Reply #5 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 1:28pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 1:09pm:
Are you aware what incest actually means Yadda?

It would appear not.





abu,

Yes, i understand what incest is.


Incest is Halal in Islam

An Egyptian professor of Philosophy Dr. Hasan Hanafi stirred up a hornet's nest among Muslims by comparing the Quran with a supermarket where you can find whatever you are looking for. Muslims declared him apostate and called for his beheading. Actually Dr Hanafi is a true Muslim who understands Quran correctly. Quran is a truly universal book. It is for every one, including killers, robbers, polygamists, rapists, pedophiles, incest artists, you name it. Even those who desire to sleep with their own underage daughters find an aya for it.

http://islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Incest-Halal-in-Islam.htm




Google,
islam permits incest

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=islam+permits+incest&btnG=Search&meta=

Google,
muslim incest

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=muslim+incest&btnG=Google+Sear...




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Reply #6 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 3:24pm
 
You only do your own reputation damage by linking to such pathetic garbage.

On a more serious note, the Bible clearly does include incest.

Genesis 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

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Reply #7 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 3:49pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 3:24pm:
You only do your own reputation damage by linking to such pathetic garbage.

On a more serious note,
the Bible clearly does include incest.


Genesis 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.





Yes, it does.

But that verse is not an endorsement of incest, only a record of what occurred.

The Bible is the story of man, and his failure, and the record of his fall, due to his carnal nature.

The Bible admonishes us all, and its record should be, in its revelation to us, a warning, of the nature of mankind [ourselves].


Dictionary,
admonish = = reprimand firmly. earnestly urge or warn.


Are we [mankind] paying attention yet abu?

Is our spirit, remorseful, and repenting, for our nature, expressed in this flesh?

Q.
And if not, why not?

A.
Our pride and vanity [self wickedness], rules over us.






Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
....10  Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.



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Reply #8 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 4:14pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 3:49pm:
Are we [mankind] paying attention yet abu?

Is our spirit, remorseful, and repenting, for our nature, expressed in this flesh?






I've got to tell you abu, i am fearful [for all of mankind].

I look at this world.

I look at the [moral] condition of mankind, which is exhibited in news reports every day.

And i know what God's judgement will be upon [wicked, evil] people such as ourselves.

And, one way, or another, that judgement is coming!




I fear God.

Because i know that God is righteous, and that mankind, is not !

I don't know God, but believe i know something of his nature.







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Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21  For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.








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Reply #9 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 4:32pm
 
Quote:
But that verse is not an endorsement of incest, only a record of what occurred.


Lot (pbuh) was a pious man, a believer and from the household of Abraham (pbuh) was he not?? So if the Bible claims he and his daughters partook in this activity, and further, the Bible does not condemn these actions at all, are we not to consider them at least condoned by the Bible? Surely it would've rebuked him or his daughters for this, if it were a reprehensible action, according to the Bible?
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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 10:27pm
 

abu - the story of sodom and gemorrah and lot and his daughters was given a good airing long ago in the spiritual thread.

I was given a good moral for the story at the time, I can find it and bump it up if you are interested.
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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 9:06am
 
sprint,

Actually Yadda is the one interested in relating incest back to spiritual texts, so perhaps your offer would be better directed at him.

This thread is about the emergence of a 'Fritzl' in Australia, and I'd appreciate it if we can keep the topic on track, thanks champ.
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Reply #12 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 12:37pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 4:32pm:
Quote:
But that verse is not an endorsement of incest, only a record of what occurred.


Lot (pbuh) was a pious man, a believer and from the household of Abraham (pbuh) was he not??
So if the Bible claims he and his daughters partook in this activity, and further, the Bible does not condemn these actions at all, are we not to consider them at least condoned by the Bible?
Surely it would've rebuked him or his daughters for this, if it were a reprehensible action, according to the Bible?




Sure abu, sure.

If that is how you read those passages.


Matthew 15:14




Isaiah 42:18
Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19  Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?
20  Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21  The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
22  But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
23  Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
24  Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
25  Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.



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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 12:41pm
 
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Sure abu, sure.

If that is how you read those passages.


Well it's certainly a lot more solid reasoning than the claims you made about the Qur'an  Grin

At least in this instance we actually know the subject matter was incest, and not just "women".

I guess it goes with the territory, being an apostle of falsehood.
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Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 12:52pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 12:41pm:
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Sure abu, sure.

If that is how you read those passages.


Well it's certainly a lot more solid reasoning than the claims you made about the Qur'an  Grin

At least in this instance we actually know the subject matter was incest, and not just "women".

I guess it goes with the territory, being an apostle of falsehood.





abu,

I can bear that accusation.



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