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Reply #60 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 9:27am
 
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It's all of this Czech beer I've been drinking!

Ah, Czech beer... That'll do it Grin

Psst... Uncle Soren's got a sore head today, so we gotta keep the noise down  Wink
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Reply #61 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 9:35am
 
mozzaok wrote on Oct 18th, 2009 at 8:27am:
So while I know that most people ignore these obscene idiocies, their creeds, and religion's most certainly do not, they are their in the books, just waiting for the next piper to come along and start piping their tune again, and that is an intolerable threat on all our freedoms.


Probably correct, but you could just as easily be speaking about the internet. You could very easily make a case for the fact that the world wide web carries the seeds of the next "intolerable threat on all our freedoms" and then through a leap of logic deduce that all internet users are dangerous.  We have seen examples of such leaps of logic by past contributors. Remember "Atheism is a religion" ?

I still think you're blindly clinging to that Elephant's trunk and not seeing the whole picture. Religions, like the Internet probably do a lot more good than harm if you are honest enough to move away from your position of advocacy and look at the big picture.    
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Reply #62 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 10:14am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 18th, 2009 at 9:27am:
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It's all of this Czech beer I've been drinking!

Ah, Czech beer... That'll do it Grin

Psst... Uncle Soren's got a sore head today, so we gotta keep the noise down  Wink


Witless and confused. Why do you insist?
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Reply #63 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 10:47am
 
Getting back to the useful aspects of religion - In a recent speech, I see that avowed atheist Lord May of Oxford made the point that religion may play its part in organising people to take action to avoid dangerous Climate Change.

Prior to that, he also made the point that "Fear of God has kept humans in check"

http://news.scotsman.com/science/Fear-of-God-has-kept.5622255.jp

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Belief in a god, or gods, that punish the unrighteous could be part of the mechanism of evolution that has maintained co-operation in a dog-eat-dog world, he argues.


Religion could prove very useful yet. Mozzaok, so get that soapbox out and let's start converting the masses........... Whaddya mean No??   Tongue
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Reply #64 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 10:53am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 18th, 2009 at 8:56am:
organised religion is primarily concerned with social and political organisation is erroneous.

Well, religious primates give a bloody good impression of that being their churches’ primary concern.

However, these primates (Popes, Ayatollahs, Dalai Lamas et al) have a daunting task ahead of them upon their ascension… being the personification of god on earth can’t be easy (Grin) and probably lends credence to the age old story of cardinals at a Papal electoral conclave praying not to be chosen.

But then there is the darkly comedic story of Cardinal Montalto who became Pope Sixtus V. A stooped and wizened old man at his election and chosen for that reason – to be a harmless caretaker pope until a more suitable candidate was considered more ready to ascend. However, upon his election, as the story goes, he physically straightened, threw away his crutches and stood to accept his ascension, raising his arms up declaring, “Now I am Caesar”. For the five years of his Papacy, he worked like a man possessed, reasserting the political authority of The Vatican with a vengeance in his attempt to single-handedly reverse the reformation. They included executing thousands of heretics without mercy, reversing the poverty of the Vatican by any means available including the selling of Church offices, demanding the complete and undivided loyalty of European heads of state to the Pope by the real threat of excommunication, war and guaranteed execution when defeated… and, his most bizarre enterprise, personally rewriting the Latin Vulgate.

What keeps the Vatican in check today is the terminal decline of Christianity as a world religious socio-political force through the rise of secularism and education of the masses.
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Reply #65 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 10:56am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 18th, 2009 at 10:14am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 18th, 2009 at 9:27am:
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It's all of this Czech beer I've been drinking!

Ah, Czech beer... That'll do it Grin

Psst... Uncle Soren's got a sore head today, so we gotta keep the noise down  Wink


Witless and confused. Why do you insist?

Time for a nana nap, old fella Grin
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Reply #66 - Oct 18th, 2009 at 11:17am
 
muso wrote on Oct 18th, 2009 at 9:35am:
Probably correct, but you could just as easily be speaking about the internet. You could very easily make a case for the fact that the world wide web carries the seeds of the next "intolerable threat on all our freedoms" and then through a leap of logic deduce that all internet users are dangerous.  

There is something in that. As a direct result of the rise of the internet, there's no doubt our concept of privacy must be redefined and by that our freedom to say whatever we like, whether we mean it or not and get away with it. Obama's advice to a question from a kid about what she can do now to aspire to the Presidency... 'Be careful what you write on facebook'.
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