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What would jesus do?
Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 3:04pm

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/11/creating_god_in_ones_own_image....

An interesting article that lends scientific support to the old contention that people create their god, in their own image.
This is nothing startling for people like me, who have believed that to be the case since I was a child, but for many, the mere thought that they are just using their god, to reinforce their own wants and desires, could be a little confronting.

The same site also has a good article on how people fall for conspiracy theories, share some common traits.
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/lacking_control_drives_false_co...

And no, it does not just call them dumbasses. Grin

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Re: What would jesus do?
Reply #1 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 5:48pm

From the first article....

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Religion provides a moral compass for many people around the world, colouring their views on everything from martyrdom to abortion to homosexuality. But Epley's research calls the worth of this counsel into question, for it suggests that inferring the will of God sets the moral compass to whatever direction we ourselves are facing. He says, "Intuiting God's beliefs on important issues may not produce an independent guide, but may instead serve as an echo chamber to validate and justify one's own beliefs."

An interesting article, and opinion.

But is this particular assumption [quoted above] correct?

Q.
Do i believe that the Bible is inerrant [i.e. without error]?

A.
I doubt it.

Q.
Do i believe that the Bible [OT & NT] was (1) inspired by God, and (2) written by men?

A.
Yes, and yes.

Q.
Can i, or any man or woman, ever know the mind of God ?

A.
I doubt it.

IMO, God is real, but his spirit is 'elusive'! Wink

THERE IS NO OTHER BOOK LIKE THE BIBLE.

The combined Jewish & Christian Bible consists of 66 books, by multiple 'authors', yet the underlying theme [the redemption of mankind] in its pages, is a [persistent and] consistent 'message'.

Personally, i would not claim that the Bible has been recorded faultlessly [by man], nor claim that the Bible is inerrant.

I would only claim that, IMO, it is a book written, set down by men and women, who were inspired by the spirit of God.

If you have ever had an inclination to seek, what you perceive as 'God', or to better understand your own 'self',
...i would urge you to read, study, the Bible.

I would encourage anyone, to start reading the Psalms,

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa001.html#top

For those that do study the Bible, its words will [can?] soon reveal the Bible to be a living thing!

IMO, the contents, the stories, and the knowledge which the Bible contains, is somehow intrinsically joined with mankind.

If you can think of each individual human, as a kind of a 'lock', then think of the Bible as a kind of a master 'key'.
Place the 'key' in the 'lock', and turn it!
The Bible can speak *to the heart* of a man.

Q.
Do i believe that studying the Bible can bring me closer to understanding God, and his purpose?

A.
Yes.

THE BIBLE - ITS A STORY FOR 'CHILDREN',

...AND, IT IS ABOUT OUR REDEMPTION

'Clever' people, people 'too clever by half', won't 'get it'.

But,

If we open its pages, and we are listening [with an open heart] to what the Bible 'speaks' to us, we [can] come to know [with confidence, that it is true] that we are a part of [and yet live, essentially, in separation from], the spirit which gives us life - the spirit which we have come to refer to as 'God'.

Some choose to deny this [they choose to deny that reality, preferring instead, the reality [and the 'bondage'] of this world].

On their own heads be it.

Being 'saved' [in the biblical sense], is choosing to be reconciled to our 'source', to our spiritual father.

That is the 'deal', which God offers to ALL of his prodigal 'children' [in this reality].

We are NOT saved because some are intrinsically, or without question, the son's and daughters of God.

We are saved, NOT because a select few have some special grace, and because they 'know', that they alone, are the son's and daughters of God.

We are the son's and daughters of God, and saved [redeemed], because we see the 'error' in many of our choices 'here', we repent, and choose to seek God [and his righteousness].

Our own choice [to repent], confirms us as God's true children, under his grace.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

If God, is God...

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Re: What would jesus do?
Reply #2 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 6:11pm

It is nice for you that you enjoy the bible Yadda, and nobody would want to take that enjoyment away from you.
Personally I would prefer a grisham or le carre novel for fun, but to each his own.

The point the guy was making was that your bible shows you all that is bad about muslims, yet somebody elses bible could show them, all that is good about muslims, I am sure both of you could find ample passages to either rail against, or champion your fellow man, but what you see is what you recognise, because of who you are, and in that regard your god is tailored to your tastes.

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Reply #3 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 6:44pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 6:11pm:

The point the guy was making was that your bible shows you all that is bad about muslims, yet somebody elses bible could show them, all that is good about muslims, I am sure both of you could find ample passages to either rail against, or champion your fellow man, but what you see is what you recognise, because of who you are, and in that regard your god is tailored to your tastes.

True to some extent???

I'm not sure.

moz,

I believe that we are ultimately formed, by our [life] choices.

Choices???

Many of us, i believe, will make some very bad choices [and i certainly have, and still do, from time to time].

Yet, sometimes we learn most, from the consequences our bad choices.

Yes?

This has been my experience, anyway.

We recognise the 'mistake', or the 'prejudice' we have expressed, as a mistake.

IMO, it is the recognition of our mistakes, which changes us.

It is the recognition of our our past mistakes, which has made us who we are today.

And contrary to what that article may suggest, imo, [becoming who we truly are] is not to do with identifying our nature, or our choices as being 'in sync' with a deity [who we perceive to be influencing us].

Human history has taught us, any tyrant can justify, rationalise, their evil actions.

Great evils have been done, with supposed moral justification.

BUT, saying this, we must judge, we must find the courage to make choices, as moral people.

If we don't, if we refuse to make moral choices, others will make those moral choices for us, and some of those others, will be tyrants, making choices, 'in your best interests' !

Life, its a contest, between good and evil.

My point being is that if you recognise any goodness within yourself, you have a moral obligation to express that goodness, where, when, it is appropriate.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: What would jesus do? Reply #4 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 7:57pm le carre novels are excellent. I am sure I have read a grisham one, but cannot place it in my mind. George Orwell is particularily good your reference in your words would be valued by me. Feel completely free to start a "mozzaoks world" thread. I'll protect it for you .
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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: What would jesus do? Reply #5 - Jan 4^th, 2010 at 1:55pm While it is true many tailor their own god to their tastes ,the entire point of the catholic and orthadox churches is that god is unchanged throughout time. God is very different from myself.
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Re: What would jesus do?
Reply #6 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 3:29am

you are simply an essence of GOD yes,

GOD is within JESUS is within this CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS yes

HE is within you

with so very much LOVE,

what would JESUS do you may wonder?

HE would forgive you unconditionally as HE indeed does.

JESUS did display this when HE was in this 3rd order

of density and this is achievable to all whom would attempt

to discern this and walk in this LIGHT this consciousness awareness

it is achievable yes

it has been done for many many thousands/millions of years yet it is

more than that

for it is happening right now en mass global consciousness

not fear self loathing contrary to your popular media

so be advised dear ones

i would suggest do not comfort fear and negativity

or lament in that which you create for a time yes

however

all will make their individual way back to this LIGHT in their own good

time

and so it is

namaste

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Re: What would jesus do?
Reply #7 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 11:38am

I like what you said Mozza "...your God is tailored to your taste."
Very well said.
Some like Pork, others don't and others bless in poor compensation for taking the animal's life. They even Halal in mass production now.

My Religion is Dive Books, anything to do with being down in the deep dark Abyss within us all Grin

I must be 'evil', eh ...especially if I work the Nightshift and write with a left hand.

Religion: its just about Reading and Writing ...what is written and read is just purely a secondary compliment to the original gift. I only trust Religious people who emphasis the importance of literacy - not the 'snaking' of what they use the words for to gain empowerment over another person. So I guess those Islamics/Israelis and Christians with Guns, Drugs, Politics, Guitars, Boxing gloves ...aren't REAL Religious people.

"And I walked up the steps of the Temple of Ur (in Iraq) and gave praise to the existence of Sin (the Moon). There Sin inspired us to Write and thus Religion was created by us ...the Sin-Urs (Sinners)."

Kinda sums it all up eh Roll Eyes

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Re: What would jesus do?
Reply #9 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 2:13pm

i do not masterbate

these things i do discuss here are consciousness based.

if masterbation brings you joy

then so be it.if you enjoy this act this is yours to execute.

because you may do this action does not mean everybody

does this...many people do not.does this suprise you?

or are you too busy masterbating to realize this?

i am not christian or catholic or jew or islamist

i am not religious..

that does not serve me only LIGHT

and so it is

namaste

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Reply #10 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 2:21pm

Umm, I wasn't referring to you, it_is_the_jerk...

As I said before, the first casualty of mental faculty, due to certain personality disorders, seems to be a sense of humour... replaced by an obsession with self... (in that respect you are a compulsive masturbater).

As you appear to be afflicted by that deficit, you have nothing to offer (apart from crazed pseudo-religiosity).

sadassed.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: What would jesus do? Reply #11 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 2:45pm many times you do appear to bring facts and argue your point intellectually,then when confronted by LIGHT you say,"only joking"... i do not judge your slinkering ways,i only observe and so it is namaste
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Reply #12 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 2:59pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 29^th, 2010 at 2:45pm:

many times you do appear to bring facts and argue your

point intellectually,then

when confronted by LIGHT

you say,"only joking"...

i do not judge your slinkering ways,i only observe

and so it is

namaste

Again, you demonstrate that you are pathologically self-absorbed. My first comment had nothing to do with you and didn't refer to you. Your disease makes you incapable of comprehending this.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: What would jesus do? Reply #13 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 3:26pm you have my forgiveness unconditionally namaste thats what JESUS would give to you as well and so it is namaste
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: What would jesus do? Reply #14 - Aug 29^th, 2010 at 4:23pm it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 29^th, 2010 at 3:26pm: you have my forgiveness unconditionally namaste thats what JESUS would give to you as well and so it is namaste You have my pity, conditionally.
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