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Reply #31 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:16am
 
I think this is what this thread is actually referring to. America's filthy allies the despicable Northern Alliance warlords, who now run Afghanistan for her.

I pray sincerely that these filthmongers and their international benefactors are expelled from the lands of the Muslims immediately and those with a true sense of justice replace them.

Is it any wonder 80% of Afghans support the Talibaan when we see the filth the U.S and her allies have brought?



The Warlord's Tune: Afghanistan's war on children


By Mark Bannerman for Four Corners


Sexual slavery involving boys as young as 10 is being condoned and in many cases protected by authorities in northern Afghanistan.

In a story to be broadcast on Four Corners tonight, the practice of bacha bazi or "boy play", as well as other allegations of child abuse, are explored.

Afghan journalist Najibullah Quraishi has filmed police attending a party where a young boy is the "entertainment". The police shown on the video include one officer from the youth crime squad.

Such parties are illegal under the law in Afghanistan and with good reason. The "dancing boys" are in effect sex slaves. They are lured off the streets by pimps. They are taught to dance and sing, to wear make-up and to dress like girls. Then they are made to perform before large groups of men. All of them are sexually abused.

"Dancing boys" are a lucrative business. Powerful former warlords and businessmen love to watch them and will pay a lot of money to have their own boy for bacha bazi. Some of the boys are traded like swap cards amongst the rich and powerful and if they disobey their "owners" they are killed or brutalised.

The trade in boys is well known to the United Nations. According to Nazir Alimy, who compiled a report on the issue for the UN, there is no doubt who is funding this practice and why the police refuse to stop it.

"According to our research these dancing boys are used by powerful men for sex," Mr Alimy said.

Tonight's Four Corners follows the criminal activity of two paedophiles who search for young boys so they can sell them or groom them to be trained as "dancing boys". In one case the journalist goes in the car with a paedophile named Dastager. As they drive, Dastager explains the type of boy he is looking for. Then in broad daylight the "dancing boy master" stops the car, goes to a shopfront and brings a boy back to his the waiting car.

According to a report prepared for the United Nations there is evidence that the practice of bacha bazi and the sexual abuse of boys is common throughout the north of the country. It confirms that young boys, some of them only 10 years old, are lured into life as a sex slave.

There is also evidence that this type of abuse is spreading throughout Afghanistan.

Mr Alimy says his research shows it is happening in the south and even in the Afghan capital, Kabul.

"It's true they make the boys wear girls' clothes and make them dance in front of many men," he said.

The powerful men he refers to are often former warlords who helped drive the Taliban out of the north. Others who involve themselves in the trade of boys are wealthy businessmen. Under the Taliban, bacha bazi was outlawed. Today it is still a crime but clearly there is no concerted effort being made to stop the practice and the criminal activity that surrounds it.

Unable to find anyone willing to do anything about the abuse of children, journalist Najibullah Quraishi flew to New York to meet Radhika Coomaraswamy, who has been appointed by the UN to raise awareness of the plight of children in war zones.

She explains she is deeply pessimistic about the future of these children and the capacity of officials to stop the trade in young boys.

"When I mentioned the topic it was as if I had dropped a big brick, especially in the circles, official circles," she said.

"It was very clear to me, and someone actually said it to me, these are not things people talk about. So let's first deal with the war and then we'll deal with these other issues."

The Warlord's Tune goes to air tonight at 8.30 PM on ABC 1.

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Reply #32 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
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I think this is what this thread is actually referring to. America's
filthy
allies the despicable Northern Alliance warlords, who now run Afghanistan for her.

I pray sincerely that these
filth
mongers and their international benefactors are expelled from the lands of the Muslims immediately and those with a true sense of justice replace them.

Is it any wonder 80% of Afghans support the Talibaan when we see the
filth
the U.S and her allies have brought?


You got filth on the brain there, abu. Do you need to take a bath?
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Reply #33 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 3:08pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:16am:
the despicable Northern Alliance warlords, who now run Afghanistan for her.

I pray sincerely that these filthmongers and their international benefactors are expelled from the lands of the Muslims immediately and those with a true sense of justice replace them.




But the Northern Alliance ARE Muslims.


I'm a Muslim boy, in the Muslim world
Life in combat, it's fantastic!
you can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination, life is your creation
Come on Muslims, let's go party!


And so on.



Where would you send them?
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Reply #34 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:13pm
 
They are apostate traitors and have nothing to do with Islam.
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Reply #35 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:18pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:13pm:
They are apostate traitors and have nothing to do with Islam.



Sez who? Sheik Mohammed Whatchacallim? Mufti Haj the Magnificent? Fendi Trad? Who?

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Reply #36 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:23pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:13pm:
They are apostate traitors and have nothing to do with Islam.

"Nothing to do with Islam" is your standard response when it all gets too difficult to explain. You're too predictable.
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Reply #37 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:56pm
 
They were always enemies of Islam who fought against the Talibaan for years, and then they betrayed the entire Muslim nation by inviting the invaders into the lands of Islam.

These despicable acts mentioned above are a manifestation of their clear disbelief and betrayal of Islam. In fact that's the reason they rejected the Talibaan and fought them was because the Talibaan put an end to their despicable activities. They rape, pillage and do as they please, and in fact if one reads the history of the Talibaan, they'll find the Talibaan came into existence to eradicate this scum.

Their only tie is to the Western powers who resurrected them and who prop them up to commit their filth as we speak.
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Reply #38 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:05pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:56pm:
They were always enemies of Islam who fought against the Talibaan for years, and then they betrayed the entire Muslim nation by inviting the invaders into the lands of Islam.

These despicable acts mentioned above are a manifestation of their clear disbelief and betrayal of Islam. In fact that's the reason they rejected the Talibaan and fought them was because the Talibaan put an end to their despicable activities. They rape, pillage and do as they please, and in fact if one reads the history of the Talibaan, they'll find the Talibaan came into existence to eradicate this scum.

Their only tie is to the Western powers who resurrected them and who prop them up to commit their filth as we speak.



These pinheads look all the same to me - bearded, grizzled, primitive, clutching a Koran in one hand, their d!cks in the other and an AK 47 in the third.

Murdering schoolgirls for going to school doesn't give one buch the moral high ground over the other which cares not for their schooling as long as they can be raped, along with their brothers.

Pity they can't both be killed off. 

Is there anyone else in Afghanistan, other than Northern Alliance and Taliban?



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Reply #39 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:10pm
 
Also keep in mind these disgusting actions have been occurring with the full knowledge, consent and facilitation of the Western invasion forces. Here's an article from last year about a Canadian officer who witnessed these acts occurring in his own base and was prevented from stopping it



Former Canadian soldier speaks out against 'disgusting' child rape in Afghanistan

By David Pugliese, Ottawa CitizenSeptember 21, 2009

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.canada.com/news/disgusting+former+Canadian+soldier+says+alleged+child+rape+Afghanistan/2014450/2015781.bin
Former Cpl. Travis Schouten claims he witnessed an Afghan boy being sexually assualted by Afghan security personnel at Canada's Forward Operating Base Wilson in Afghanistan in 2006.
Photograph by: Handout, Travis Schouten


Every day, Travis Schouten lives with the image of the rape of an Afghan boy at a Canadian Forces base.

Witnessing two men, one armed with a knife, sodomize the child during an incident in late 2006 helped drive the 26-year-old to the brink of mental collapse.

But the former corporal said the assault is just the tip of an iceberg and underneath lies the systemic sexual abuse of boys at the hands of Afghanistan’s police and army. It’s something he said the Canadian Forces has turned a blind eye to.

“It’s disgusting,” said Schouten, now retired after eight years in the military. “We’re telling people that we’re trying to build a nation there and we let this happen?”

“We allow rampant abuse of young boys at the hands of what is supposed to be their finest police officers and army officers, then what does that say?”

Schouten’s allegations that Afghans were sexually abusing children at a Canadian base near Kandahar made headlines in 2008 but earlier this year, military investigators dismissed the claims as unfounded.

He is, however, not alone in voicing his concerns. Defence Department records show military police were upset about such incidents but were told not to interfere. Army officers also met in 2007 to discuss the issue of Afghan security personnel “having anal sex with young boys” but their main concern was the media would somehow find out.

Others in the military note they were told such practices were an age-old part of Afghan culture. One soldier who e-mailed Canwest News Service stated he served at the same base at another time and troops had orders to stop any rapes. But he also noted they were told the practise of “Man Love Thursdays,” as it was called, involved consenting Afghans and no one was raped by older men. The children involved were given small gifts or money in return for sex, soldiers said.

Schouten, however, questions whether a five- or six-year old child, or even an 11-year-old, can consent. “The Canadian Forces wants people to think it’s a cultural thing, that everyone is doing it, because it takes the onus of responsibility off them to stop it,” he said.

The United Nations has also questioned arguments that sex with children is a cultural issue. In July 2008, a UN special representative spoke out against the Afghan practise. “What I found was nobody talks about it; everyone says, ‘Well, you know, it’s been there for 1,000 years, so why do we want to raise this now?’ ” said Radhika Coomaraswamy. “But somebody has to raise it and it has to be dealt with.”

And not all Afghans are so accepting of what some claim is tradition. Afghan villagers this summer complained to British troops in Helmand province that Afghan police were abducting children to be used for sex.

Last year also saw an extremely rare event; three Afghan police officers who gang-raped a 12-year-old boy and his father were sent to prison.

Although reports in a Toronto newspaper noted that Schouten saw the aftermath of the attack on a young boy, he said that is not accurate. He actually entered the headquarters and witnessed two Afghan security personnel sodomizing the child. “I walked in and they were raping a kid,” he recalled. “The kid was bleeding. They guy with the camo fatigues had a knife in his hand.”

He left the headquarters shaken. The Canadian unit already had been dealing with other problems with the Afghans and his immediate options were limited. “I wasn’t going to start doing something at the scene,” he said. “I’m in the middle of the ANP headquarters. What do I do? Start shooting Afghan police? I’d get myself shot.”

Afterward, he was approached by an Afghan interpreter who worked with troops. The man had with him a couple of five-year-old boys who had also been allowed on the Canadian base. “He brought up the fact he likes to rape little boys,” Schouten said. “He’s telling me how he likes to use a knife on them.”

Schouten said after the incident, his life fell apart. He began drinking heavily. After returning from Afghanistan, he was involved in a car accident which injured one of his passengers. He went absent without leave when he was supposed to be at a psychiatrist’s appointment.

The army’s reaction was to try to dishonourably discharge him but Schouten successfully fought that. In August, he was honourably discharged on medical grounds.

Schouten wasn’t surprised the military investigation concluded his allegations were unfounded and his chain of command had not been informed of any such incidents.

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Back in Canada, he told a lieutenant colonel and Defence Department officials of the incident, who in turn, informed others in the army’s leadership. However, since none of those people was in Schouten’s direct chain of command, the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service could conclude nothing was reported, he explained.

Other soldiers also were reluctant to come forward. “Guys have mortgages, they have kids," said Schouten. “If they go and get involved in this their careers will be stopped. Look what the army did to me.”

Schouten isn’t expecting anything different from an army board of inquiry launched last year. Although soldiers know Afghan security forces are having sex with kids, the issue is too explosive to deal with, he added.

Schouten said the rape and its aftermath shook his faith in the military. “In my mind, when I signed up, it was a brotherhood to me,” he explained. “I thought I was there for an established set of values and I loved that. I was wrong.”

Schouten is now rebuilding his life and is going to university. “I’m putting myself back together,” he said.

“But at the same time, I do feel people should be held accountable and people should know this is what is going on over there.”

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Reply #41 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:22pm
 
Child rape does seem to be a common occurrence in this backward country where religion as always has failed them.

The issue was dramatised in the movie "The Kite Runner".
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Reply #42 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:53pm
 
Abu, did you rpefer the old days when the Taliban was able to prevent this sort of thing hitting the media? You seem to have trouble with the concept that this barbarc tribal systems do not prevent this sort of thing, they only prevent it coming to light. Or maybe you just naively assume that it never happened because you associate the old system with Islam. You do have a tendedny to confuse the rate at which crimes are reported with the rate at which they occur, regardless of the extent of media access and freedom.
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Reply #43 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:17pm
 
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Like with Opium, the Talibaan eradicated both completely from the country. You're just too deluded in your fantasy that you're liberating the country and setting up this wonderland of democracy there, to admit it.

Take notice by these revelations from the Canadian soldiers, and from the former ISI chief, and from the increasing civilian casualties, and from all the other sources, which all consistently spell the end of the occupation and the rejection of the Afghani people of it.

The West are finished in Afghanistan. They've brought nothing but this kind of filth, and misery and suffering and death and destruction. The people don't want them there, and it won't be long before they cannot remain. Time to jump ship fd, and admit you're completely deluded on this issue. You just can't read the signs, you're a dupe for propaganda.
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You're off your rocker helian. The idea this is an age old custom is just nonsense, and was an idea crafted by the Western propaganda machine to try and shame Afghans, in order to further defeat and humiliate them. This filth is merely a result of the Western influence there, no doubt they learned this crap from people like those at Abu Ghraib, who derive sick pleasure from torturing and assaulting people. Some say Bagram is just as bad as Abu Ghraib in many respects, especially regarding the sick and disgusting practises that've gone on there. Or perhaps they learnt it from Blackwater mercenaries who drink alcohol from one another's rectums?? And engage in all sorts of other sick and depraved acts.

Religion is the only thing which has protected them from this filth. The Talibaan have been their only protection from these animals. But as always, the atheist has to try and paint everything as religion = bad, disbelief = good".
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