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Reply #45 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 6:47am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:22pm:
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Child rape does seem to be a common occurrence in this backward country where religion as always has failed them.


You're off your rocker helian. The idea this is an age old custom is just nonsense, and was an idea crafted by the Western propaganda machine to try and shame Afghans, in order to further defeat and humiliate them. This filth is merely a result of the Western influence there, no doubt they learned this crap from people like those at Abu Ghraib, who derive sick pleasure from torturing and assaulting people. Some say Bagram is just as bad as Abu Ghraib in many respects, especially regarding the sick and disgusting practises that've gone on there. Or perhaps they learnt it from Blackwater mercenaries who drink alcohol from one another's rectums?? And engage in all sorts of other sick and depraved acts.

Religion is the only thing which has protected them from this filth. The Talibaan have been their only protection from these animals. But as always, the atheist has to try and paint everything as religion = bad, disbelief = good".



Yeah, right, the proud, pious and upright Afghan people and their stout Arab helpers were introduced to MTV in 2002 and that was sufficient to eradicate a 1000 years of noble Muslim purity.
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Reply #46 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 7:33am
 
Come on Abu, you can't seriously expect us to believe that the west introduced child rape to this place, or that the Taliban 'eradicated it completely'. How naive are you?

Everything about Islam seems designed to cover up exploitation of the weakest members of society. Couple that with the backwardness and tribalism of this area and you are bound to find all sorts of nasty habits. The west is likely to get rid of it, by introducing real justice, instead of the "hey come beat my neighbour to within an inch of his life because we are fighting over a well" style of justice you seem to prefer.
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Reply #47 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 8:04am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:22pm:
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Child rape does seem to be a common occurrence in this backward country where religion as always has failed them.


You're off your rocker helian. The idea this is an age old custom is just nonsense, and was an idea crafted by the Western propaganda machine to try and shame Afghans, in order to further defeat and humiliate them. This filth is merely a result of the Western influence there, no doubt they learned this crap from people like those at Abu Ghraib, who derive sick pleasure from torturing and assaulting people.

Abu, don't be an infant.
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Reply #48 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 10:51am
 
As far as I recall the onus of proof is on the one making the claim.

If you claim it's an age old "tradition" then prove it.

And fd, stop being so disingenious, trying to casually associate marriage to girls when they reach puberty with this filthy act.
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Reply #49 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 11:20am
 
Poor Abu, stuck living in a fantasy ideal of how he thinks Islam could be practised.

He believes the false history of Islam's golden age, which conveniently ignores the despotic violence used to coerce populations to contribute to this claimed golden age, and dreams that it may return to provide a new golden age of Islam again.

To persist in maintaining this fantasy, he needs to disregard all the evidence of immoral and violent behaviour that we see in the world's current Islamic nations, and he does this by saying they are all symptoms of western corruption.
Only the most self deluding person could maintain that false claim, while totally ignoring the evidence of their own eyes and ears.

Any muslim who commits any misdeed is discounted as either;
a) "not a true muslim", or
b)"a western influenced puppet".

The glaring truth, and obvious conclusion to be drawn from seeing the same types of behaviours acted out across some quite diverse cultures is that Islam is the common factor they share.
Islam is the code they use to justify the behaviours to themselves, whether rightly or wrongly is an interpretive question that Islam itself can never answer, because each is free to interpret the books of Islam as they personally see fit, without direction from any universally recognised Islamic authority.

This lack of authority sees the terrorists as free to use Islam as their justification for violence, as the pedophile or polygamist who uses it's teachings to justify their sexual deviancies.

The four corners show last night which highlighted the misuse of boys in afghanistan by high ranking muslim officials, showed just how impotent Islam is in protecting the weak and powerless, which is not surprising for a doctrine developed by someone who preyed upon the weak and indulged their own sexual deviancies at every opportunity.

These muslim perverts even made the pedophile clergymen of the catholics look positively benevolent by comparison.

One day people like Abu may come to realise that their hopes and dreams for Islam just do not match the reality of what it is, or ever can be, and for the sake of the weak and exploited, the sooner that day comes the better.
When they take off their rose coloured glasses, and see Islam for what it is, they can start to put their energies into trying to change it for the better.

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Reply #50 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 11:57am
 

mozzaok - I find this bit hard to swallow
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.......These muslim perverts even made the pedophile clergymen of the catholics look positively benevolent by comparison.
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i did not see the tv show, but still find it hard to credit.


indeed, any spirituality should be as far away from political power as it could be.
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Reply #51 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 1:51pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 10:51am:
As far as I recall the onus of proof is on the one making the claim.

If you claim it's an age old "tradition" then prove it.





Easy. Type "homoeroticism in islam" into Google Scholar and see what comes up. Or buy the book: Homoeroticism in Classical Arabic Literature
http://www.amazon.com/Homoeroticism-Classical-Arabic-Literature-Wright/dp/023110...
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Reply #52 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:39pm
 
mozza,

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To persist in maintaining this fantasy, he needs to disregard all the evidence of immoral and violent behaviour that we see in the world's current Islamic nations, and he does this by saying they are all symptoms of western corruption.
Only the most self deluding person could maintain that false claim, while totally ignoring the evidence of their own eyes and ears.


So let the West withdraw completely from any involvement in the Muslim lands, and then we'll have nothing to provide the impetus for such complaints. I'd be just as glad as you think you'll be, to see that happening. You can't be there running our countries and then say "Don't complain that we ruin your countries". Get out and then say it.

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These muslim perverts even made the pedophile clergymen of the catholics look positively benevolent by comparison.


Difference being that the clergy ARE part of the Church, these scum are the most unIslamic people in the society. They are your garbage, not ours. The Muslims pushed them into a tiny little corner of Afghanistan and would've eventually finished them off if you hadn't brought them to power and carried them into Kabul on your tanks.

Please don't try and blame your filth on us. You brought them to power, you prop them up and you support and facilitate their filth as the Canadian soldiers testified, by even giving them a place to carry out these despicable acts. You cannot deny the responsibility the West holds for this abomination.
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Reply #53 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:39pm
 
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Easy. Type "homoeroticism in islam" into Google Scholar and see what comes up. Or buy the book: Homoeroticism in Classical Arabic Literature


Revisionist trash.
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Reply #54 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:44pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:39pm:
mozza,

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To persist in maintaining this fantasy, he needs to disregard all the evidence of immoral and violent behaviour that we see in the world's current Islamic nations, and he does this by saying they are all symptoms of western corruption.
Only the most self deluding person could maintain that false claim, while totally ignoring the evidence of their own eyes and ears.


So let the West withdraw completely from any involvement in the Muslim lands, and then we'll have nothing to provide the impetus for such complaints. I'd be just as glad as you think you'll be, to see that happening. You can't be there running our countries and then say "Don't complain that we ruin your countries". Get out and then say it.

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These muslim perverts even made the pedophile clergymen of the catholics look positively benevolent by comparison.


Difference being that the clergy ARE part of the Church, these scum are the most unIslamic people in the society. They are your garbage, not ours. The Muslims pushed them into a tiny little corner of Afghanistan and would've eventually finished them off if you hadn't brought them to power and carried them into Kabul on your tanks.

Please don't try and blame your filth on us. You brought them to power, you prop them up and you support and facilitate their filth as the Canadian soldiers testified, by even giving them a place to carry out these despicable acts. You cannot deny the responsibility the West holds for this abomination.



United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (UIF, Jabha-yi Muttahid-i Islami-yi Milli bara-yi Nijat-i Afghanistan), more commonly known as the Northern Alliance.


What does 'Islami-yi' mean in Pashto?
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Reply #55 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:54pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:39pm:
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Easy. Type "homoeroticism in islam" into Google Scholar and see what comes up. Or buy the book: Homoeroticism in Classical Arabic Literature


Revisionist trash.

Abu, face it... Cloister one sex from the other as completely as Islam does and libido will find an outlet... Just like in a prison.
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Reply #56 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 5:32pm
 
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What does 'Islami-yi' mean in Pashto?


The Democratic Republic of the Congo (French: République démocratique du Congo)... What does démocratique mean in French?? Unless of course you mean to tell me Congo is an example of democracy???

Or perhaps this one??

North Korea, officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)...
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Reply #57 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 5:33pm
 
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Abu, face it... Cloister one sex from the other as completely as Islam does and libido will find an outlet... Just like in a prison.


Islam doesn't do that though. Islam encourages people to marry and marry upon reaching puberty.
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Reply #58 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 9:34pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 5:32pm:
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What does 'Islami-yi' mean in Pashto?


The Democratic Republic of the Congo (French: République démocratique du Congo)... What does démocratique mean in French?? Unless of course you mean to tell me Congo is an example of democracy???

Or perhaps this one??

North Korea, officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)...



Interesting. Democracy, a corruptable political system, not a religion. Islam, also a corruptable political system. I get it.


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Reply #59 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 10:00pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 5:33pm:
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Abu, face it... Cloister one sex from the other as completely as Islam does and libido will find an outlet... Just like in a prison.


Islam doesn't do that though. Islam encourages people to marry and marry upon reaching puberty.

Never mind that not all pubescent girls in a modern society desire a life where they're under-educated and duffed up with 2 kids by 15... And never mind that not all boys are capable of taking on the responsibilities of marriage at 13. No doubt its common in backward and primitive countries such as the backblocks of Afghanistan or Pakistan where they cling to a twisted form of Islam that would have more in common with Christianity of the dark ages. In a modern society, Islam in its present form has no place.

It's clear, also that Muhammad had paedophilic tendencies in that he had a sexual interest in pre-pubescent children... a custom that unfortunately in some Islamic countries (such as Yemen) is still practised. Given that the founder of the religion clearly approved of paedophilia, it should come as no surprise that it's a feature of some Islamic societies.
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