I wonder what happenned there.


did the daughter kill her own mum?
and try to kill her dad, cause they put a lifelong complete curfew on her?

posssibly.


did the dad kill his wife, then injure himself in a fit of rage?
perhaps the mum was taking the daugheters side in her wishesand the dad "flipped out"
did his extremist islamic thing and lost it totally ?

possibly.


will we ever know, probably not.

Well knowing the cultural history of daughters being killed by their family for shameing them, by not following their strict rules, as well as the occurrence of some muslims feeling obliged to kill their own family members, if they think they are guilty of apostasy, the girl may have felt these actions were imminent and was acting in defense of her own life.

no, mozzaok did not say that.
we were wondering just what did hapen.

any ideas ?

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:



"her parents tried to advise her' in the usual Muslim manner. That's enough to send a shiver down anyone's spine. 
http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

Look, the jury heard all the evidence, in an open court, presented by both sides. They were then instructed by the judge and retired. In an hour, they had a verdict.

If they got it wrong, the system allows for a couple of rounds of appeals and the presentation of more evidence if there is any. There are enough muslim charities that can chip in to fund a QC or two if you blieve that this is a case of yet more blatant anti-muslim bias and they will be heard in an open court.

On the other hand, under the system you are hot for, none of the above would apply and she'd be stoned to death by now.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:


At the very least she should have asked her boyfriend to sign the pleasure marriage certificate. Just to hoodwink Allah the proper way.  The clever Musulman way.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/26020
Pleasure-marriage contract with a 9-year-old girl: Rami 'Aleiq, the former head of the Hizbullah Students Union at the American University in Beirut, gave an interview about himself to Rotana Music TV on August 25, 2008, and which MEMRI has today made available. In it, the interviewer quotes 'Aleiq's book:

When I went on trips, I used to go secretly with several young friends to the Al-Marja neighborhood in Damascus. We would go to a hotel in order to have sex with prostitutes for 500 Syrian liras per half hour. … None of us would make physical contact with the girl he chose before signing a formal pleasure-marriage contract with her.

Rami 'Aleiq, former Hizbullah student leader and patron of 9-year-old prostitutes.


The interviewer then asks: "Isn't marriage meant to be out of pure intentions? Weren't you conning God this way?" 'Aleiq replies: "You're right. Pleasure-marriage means conning God, as well as ourselves. I am against this way of relating to sex and to women. … This is something that still goes on. It is wrong."

The interviewer asks if 'Aleiq was "an observant Shiite Muslim from Hizbullah?" and 'Aleiq nods in agreement.

The interviewer asks: "How did you ever dare to sign a pleasure-marriage contract with a nine-year-old girl?" and 'Aleiq replies: "In our culture, in order to be able to touch a girl or a woman, there must be a contract of pleasure-marriage."

The interviewer notes: "We are talking about a nine-year-old girl ...," prompting 'Aleiq to justify his actions:

Sure. In Islam, and this is what we were taught, a girl is mature from the age of nine. This is true with regard to Sunnis as well as Shiites. You are focusing on Shia Islam, because I am a Shiite, but according to religious jurisprudence, a girl is mature at the age of nine. This is where we got this idea. I was a child, and so was she, so I was not allowed to touch her, if I didn't form with her the kind of relation that permitted this.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20^th, 2010 at 8:56am:


You talk as if you differentiated between the various denominations of Christians.


At any rate, seeing 9 year old girls as sexually available is Muslim thing:
"Sure. In Islam, and this is what we were taught, a girl is mature from the age of nine. This is true with regard to Sunnis as well as Shiites. You are focusing on Shia Islam, because I am a Shiite, but according to religious jurisprudence, a girl is mature at the age of nine. This is where we got this idea. I was a child, and so was she, so I was not allowed to touch her, if I didn't form with her the kind of relation that permitted this."

Since your conversion to Islam, do you see any of your kids' classmates in year 3 as sexually attrctive and available (subject to a deal with her father).


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Dig up is a wild overstatement. This stuff is everywhere, As a matter of fact, one of our main peeves is that the stuff cannot be avoided - bizarre or dangerous Muslim practices and ideas are all around us.