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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:53pm
 
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Hlysnan wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm:
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.

So you don't know much about Buddhism hey?



Ever heard of Burma, skip?

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Reply #16 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:02pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Hlysnan wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm:
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.

So you don't know much about Buddhism hey?



Ever heard of Burma, skip?



I don't think it was the Buddhist religion OR anyone speaking on its behalf who were responsible for the actions of General Ne Win, last time I checked the Buddist religion  in Burma were not in charge of the army,but nice try at discrediting Buddhism, you are a true Christian.

Next you'll be telling me its the fault of the Jews and Israel for what hapens in the middle east. Grin

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Buddhists also have their complaints regarding religious freedom. A political party, the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, split from the main Karen nationalist movement, the KNU, after the Buddhists were denied to rebuild and repair the stupas at Manerplaw. The top leadership of the KNU were also dominated by Christians, although roughly 60% of the Karen are Buddhist.

Many monks took part in the 2007 Saffron Revolution and were reportedly arrested by government security forces. Some of the leading monks are still detained in various prisons across the coutry



Did you read that?  theKNU leadership is dominated by Christians?
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Re: Why do ALL religions brainwash little kids?
Reply #17 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:11pm
 
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:02pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Hlysnan wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm:
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.

So you don't know much about Buddhism hey?



Ever heard of Burma, skip?



I don't think it was the Buddhist religion OR anyone speaking on its behalf who were responsible for the actions of General Ne Win, last time I checked the Buddist religion  in Burma were not in charge of the army,but nice try at discrediting Buddhism, you are a true Christian.

Next you'll be telling me its the fault of the Jews and Israel for what hapens in the middle east. Grin

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Buddhists also have their complaints regarding religious freedom. A political party, the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, split from the main Karen nationalist movement, the KNU, after the Buddhists were denied to rebuild and repair the stupas at Manerplaw. The top leadership of the KNU were also dominated by Christians, although roughly 60% of the Karen are Buddhist.

Many monks took part in the 2007 Saffron Revolution and were reportedly arrested by government security forces. Some of the leading monks are still detained in various prisons across the coutry





Computer sayz 'no'...


Many religions are practised in Burma. Religious edifices and orders have been in existence for many years. Festivals can be held on a grand scale. The Christian and Muslim populations do, however, face religious persecution and it is hard, if not impossible, for non-Buddhists to join the army or get government jobs, the main route to success in the country.[172] Such persecution and targeting of civilians is particularly notable in Eastern Burma, where over 3000 villages have been destroyed in the past ten years.[173][174][175] More than 200,000 Rohingya Muslims have settled in Bangladesh, to escape persecution, over the past 20 years
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Re: Why do ALL religions brainwash little kids?
Reply #18 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:11pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:02pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Hlysnan wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm:
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.

So you don't know much about Buddhism hey?



Ever heard of Burma, skip?



I don't think it was the Buddhist religion OR anyone speaking on its behalf who were responsible for the actions of General Ne Win, last time I checked the Buddist religion  in Burma were not in charge of the army,but nice try at discrediting Buddhism, you are a true Christian.

Next you'll be telling me its the fault of the Jews and Israel for what hapens in the middle east. Grin

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Buddhists also have their complaints regarding religious freedom. A political party, the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, split from the main Karen nationalist movement, the KNU, after the Buddhists were denied to rebuild and repair the stupas at Manerplaw. The top leadership of the KNU were also dominated by Christians, although roughly 60% of the Karen are Buddhist.

Many monks took part in the 2007 Saffron Revolution and were reportedly arrested by government security forces. Some of the leading monks are still detained in various prisons across the coutry





Computer sayz 'no'...


Many religions are practised in Burma. Religious edifices and orders have been in existence for many years. Festivals can be held on a grand scale. The Christian and Muslim populations do, however, face religious persecution and it is hard, if not impossible, for non-Buddhists to join the army or get government jobs, the main route to success in the country.[172] Such persecution and targeting of civilians is particularly notable in Eastern Burma, where over 3000 villages have been destroyed in the past ten years.[173][174][175] More than 200,000 Rohingya Muslims have settled in Bangladesh, to escape persecution, over the past 20 years


My computer says yes- and if you care to look a little further on the site you just googled you'll see what I've said is right, did you notice that the KNU leadership is dominated by Christians yet? or are you just pretending that isn't there?
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Re: Why do ALL religions brainwash little kids?
Reply #19 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:22pm
 
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:16pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:11pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:02pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Hlysnan wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm:
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.

So you don't know much about Buddhism hey?



Ever heard of Burma, skip?



I don't think it was the Buddhist religion OR anyone speaking on its behalf who were responsible for the actions of General Ne Win, last time I checked the Buddist religion  in Burma were not in charge of the army,but nice try at discrediting Buddhism, you are a true Christian.

Next you'll be telling me its the fault of the Jews and Israel for what hapens in the middle east. Grin

IN FACT-

Quote:
Buddhists also have their complaints regarding religious freedom. A political party, the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, split from the main Karen nationalist movement, the KNU, after the Buddhists were denied to rebuild and repair the stupas at Manerplaw. The top leadership of the KNU were also dominated by Christians, although roughly 60% of the Karen are Buddhist.

Many monks took part in the 2007 Saffron Revolution and were reportedly arrested by government security forces. Some of the leading monks are still detained in various prisons across the coutry





Computer sayz 'no'...


Many religions are practised in Burma. Religious edifices and orders have been in existence for many years. Festivals can be held on a grand scale. The Christian and Muslim populations do, however, face religious persecution and it is hard, if not impossible, for non-Buddhists to join the army or get government jobs, the main route to success in the country.[172] Such persecution and targeting of civilians is particularly notable in Eastern Burma, where over 3000 villages have been destroyed in the past ten years.[173][174][175] More than 200,000 Rohingya Muslims have settled in Bangladesh, to escape persecution, over the past 20 years


My computer says yes- and if you care to look a little further on the site you just googled you'll see what I've said is right, did you notice that the KNU leadership is dominated by Christians yet? or are you just pretending that isn't there?


No, I haven't noticed any of that. The Christian ( 4 % of the population)  are dominating the rest? Wow!  Must be with divine help, don't you think?


China, Japan, Vietnam, Burma and Thailand have the largest number of Buddhists. Not exctly a bunch of  hippies.


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Reply #20 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:42pm
 
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No, I haven't noticed any of that.


You need to learn to read then ol son.Its here in black and white.

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The top leadership of the KNU were also dominated by Christians, although roughly 60% of the Karen are Buddhist.


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Reply #21 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:57pm
 
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China, Japan, Vietnam, Burma and Thailand have the largest number of Buddhists.


China- an agnostic state, nup no Buddhist monks in charge there.
Japan- no, no Buddhist monks in charge there,Japan places very little importance on religion.
Vietnam, invaded by the Christian USA to keep out those bloody commos from China.mmmmmmmm.The USA failed and Vietnam has been under a regime since 1975, nup ,no Buddhist monks in charge there.
Burma, under a military coup since 1962, nup no monks in charge there.
Thailand,  very peaceful people( I lived there for 2 years) and see much more violence at the SCG on a Sunday,the Thais are a bit like the Italians, they like to change their government often, whilst living there I've seen 2 coups occur,and never felt threatened once. but again, no Buddhist monks in charge there, maybe they'll be next,then you can try and put your misjudged opinion to practice.
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Reply #22 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 11:52pm
 
You seem to think governments own and mould the people.

The political changes you list are fairly recent, in historical terms, while th buddhist character of these places goes back for centuries. Centuries, during which all these places were no hippy heavens but were backward, sunk into squalid inertia and endless fighting and bloodletting (see martial arts). They were sad, incurious backwaters.

In my experience, western 'buddhists', especially the ones who live in the west, are the most neurotic, repressed people in search of psychic salve for their barely contained manic depression.



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Reply #23 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 4:18am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 11:52pm:
In my experience, western 'buddhists', especially the ones who live in the west, are the most neurotic, repressed people in search of psychic salve for their barely contained manic depression.

Sounds more like evangelists and Pentecostals... Except they perceive their mania to be evidence of a divine rapture and their depression as demonic torment.
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Reply #24 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 9:43am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 15th, 2010 at 4:18am:
Soren wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 11:52pm:
In my experience, western 'buddhists', especially the ones who live in the west, are the most neurotic, repressed people in search of psychic salve for their barely contained manic depression.

Sounds more like evangelists and Pentecostals... Except they perceive their mania to be evidence of a divine rapture and their depression as demonic torment.


Of coarse it does helian, does anyone think soren even knows a Buddhist? a repressed bible basher lecturing on the evils of Buddhism, he is a laugh and half, let alone wrong in every assumption so far.
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You seem to think governments own and mould the people.


Well they do in most of the countries you've mentioned.

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Centuries, during which all these places were no hippy heavens but were backward, sunk into squalid inertia and endless fighting and bloodletting (see martial arts).


LOL, that your best yet, what countries were not like that centuries ago?

Do you know where karate originated,soren? I'll save you the google ol son, INDIA, LOL.

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Reply #25 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:01am
 
Look at the history of western thought, art, literature, music and you will see a creativity unmatched by any other civilisation, ever. It leaves all of them, Buddhism included, in the dust.
Spiritually speaking, only neurotics and eccentrics dabble in Buddhism.

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Reply #26 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:15am
 
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LOL, I was right you do know bugger all about Buddhism.
As an atheist, spiritually speaking , only losers dabble in religion, but unlike Christianity and Islam, Buddhism is more a way of life than it is a religion, it teaches peace tolerance and acceptance, where as Christianity teaches you're either with us or against us, if you don't believe our fairy tales you'll all go to hell. That is why Christianity attracts people of an insecure nature.
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Reply #27 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:22am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 13th, 2010 at 3:20pm:
It's up to the parents, not the kids, anyway. Children do not 'choose' what to study in school.



Actually they do to a large extent when they get into the last few years of High School. Theoretically the parents have the final say, but in practice, kids make the decisions on their education path depending on their interests.

Mozz - If you want to remove all that is irrational in teaching, then your target needs to be much broader than religion. You might consider English Literature for one.

The works of James Joyce should definitely be banned for being subversive. Let's add DH Lawrence and hmmm let's see - William Shakespeare - all that irrational stuff about star crossed lovers who commit suicide - sounds very subversive and dangerous to me. The next thing we'd know teenagers would be doing away with themselves.

In fact, let's take anything that provides insight into the human condition. Dangerous irrational creatures, these humans. We must avoid Christianity, and Hinduism and ....Art of any description.

Teaching kids about adults - now that's just downright disgusting.  J D Salinger can go on the bonfire straight away.

OK comrade, which books shall we permit in this Brave New World?

Dawkins?

No way. Have you seen what the suicide rate in Atheists is like? That's positively subversive stuff.

So at this stage, we're kinda on a parallel with the Khmer Rouge. Is that where you see your brave new world heading?
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Reply #28 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:26am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:01am:
Look at the history of western thought, art, literature, music and you will see a creativity unmatched by any other civilisation, ever. It leaves all of them, Buddhism included, in the dust.
Spiritually speaking, only neurotics and eccentrics dabble in Buddhism.




I wouldn't know. I'm a Hindu (Let me just check - yes, today is Thursday) Of course, I might have a different opinion next Tuesday when I'm scheduled to be a Lutheran.  Wink
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Reply #29 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:41am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:01am:
Spiritually speaking, only neurotics and eccentrics dabble in Buddhism.

Seems we're moving from bipolar disorders to eccentricity and neuroses in general.

Given most brilliant minds manifest eccentric behaviour, I don't think Buddhists will necessarily be too worried about being called eccentric. And, of course, some cultures cherish eccentricity, al la the English, the Scots and the Irish.

Many religious people are frankly neurotic if not severely disturbed and I'd bet you'd find far more dangerously disturbed Muslims and Christians (particularly among adult-age converts who have stumbled through life on the fringe) than Buddhists.
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