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Why do ALL religions brainwash little kids?
Apr 13th, 2010 at 12:02pm
 
Possibly the most unsettling aspect about religion for me, is how it seeks to forcibly impose it's beliefs onto little children.

All around the world, respective cultures with their respective deities, and their respective belief in being the exclusive truth, nominate children from birth, as belonging to their faith.
They are forced to accept ludicrous teachings well before the age where they can possibly reason for themselves, in the hope that this fantasy becomes so deeply entrenched in their psyche that it will over ride any rational analysis of the validity of what they have been taught, but simply retain it as unquestionable truth, which is what they are told since birth.

Surely the christian seeing a child sent to a madrassa to learn nothing but the koran, would see the unfairness to the child in that circumstance.

Is it so hard for them to even contemplate being happy to primarily seek to see all children given the chance to learn to think rationally, and to be able to reason for themselves, before attempting to force they make a spiritual decision that surely should be everyone's right to make for themselves, rather than something you just inherit from your family and culture.

If christians do not face this question soon, they could well find themselves in cultures where their beliefs are simply being outbred by another.

Modern secular societies really need to make the first move, and start by separating schools and education in general,  from all religious proselytising of any kind.

If it is left up to who can breed the fastest becomes the world's dominant religion, then god help us all. Wink

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Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 1:33pm
 
Secularism means freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Goes with those other great freedoms, of conscience and of speech.

I don't want the state to be arbiter of what to think or say. You seem to think that secularism is about giving the state more power. It isn't.

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Reply #2 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 1:53pm
 
Freedom of religion is not a freedom that should  supplant an individuals freedom, and I think it is an abuse of all children's freedom that have a dogma taught to them as inviolable truth, when it should never be allowed to be portrayed as anything other than a personal, spiritual choice.
Religions deny children that freedom of choice, they absolutely try to eradicate any questioning of their dogma, some obviously far more than others, who may even kill you for questioning it, but the principle remains, children are people too, they have rights as well, and they should have the right to grow up to make their own choices.
Our role as parents and a society should be to best equip them with the capacity to reason, and to function as empathic individuals.
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Reply #3 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 2:11pm
 
So where are they taught this unidentified stuff and what is it that is so dangerous and disturbing to you that you think they are being taught?
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Reply #4 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 2:42pm
 
Well they are being taught it at home, at church, and at school.
Now the first two we cannot do a whole lot about, but the third we most definitely can.
We should ban all religious teaching in school, and substitute rational thinking and modern ethics subjects in it's place.

At least that way the kids will at least have some frame of reference for how the world works that does not rely on an imposed belief in magical creatures controlling everything.

Just how evil the teachings they receive will be dependant on the degree of fundamentalism that their church and parents follow.

Many teachings will be quite benign, while many others will be repugnant, but all will be based on the lie that they know god.
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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 3:20pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 13th, 2010 at 2:42pm:
Well they are being taught it at home, at church, and at school.
Now the first two we cannot do a whole lot about, but the third we most definitely can.
We should ban all religious teaching in school, and substitute rational thinking and modern ethics subjects in it's place.

At least that way the kids will at least have some frame of reference for how the world works that does not rely on an imposed belief in magical creatures controlling everything.

Just how evil the teachings they receive will be dependant on the degree of fundamentalism that their church and parents follow.

Many teachings will be quite benign, while many others will be repugnant, but all will be based on the lie that they know god.



You mean you'd force them to be like you - you who is as free of doubt as any religious fanatic?

It's up to the parents, not the kids, anyway. Children do not 'choose' what to study in school.


I love that 'modern ethical subjects' bit. WHat's the shelf life of 'modern ethical subjects'? And 'rational thinking'. Are these not subject to exegesis and re-interpretation? DO they not change over time? Or do you think they are somehow natural phenomena?

Where would you draw the line? How would you draw the line? 'State financed education must be hostile to the religious heritage of all cultures and civilisations'? 'Must endorse only one way of looking at the world, Mozz'a way, and the State must act in support of Mozz's views on things he deems contaminated by any notions of 'god' (dread word)?'

Mozz, you have surprisingly adolescent ideas sometimes.

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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 5:13pm
 
Perhaps you can explain why religion should be offered any of the concessions it currently demands from society?

Why should we give religion any more rights than the local footy club?

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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 7:26pm
 
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At least that way the kids will at least have some frame of reference for how the world works that does not rely on an imposed belief in magical creatures controlling everything.


But Christians are taught we have free will Mozz... didn't you know?

As for ethics...  morals are part of ethics.

I don't see a need to teach religion in school per se, but certainly any religious teaching through scripture classes in the public schools i attended did not fill my head or heart with hatred and unreasoning beliefs. 

In fact it probably did more good than bad to some people that attended.
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 11:09pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 13th, 2010 at 5:13pm:
Perhaps you can explain why religion should be offered any of the concessions it currently demands from society?

Why should we give religion any more rights than the local footy club?




Apart from tax exemption for donations, what other concessions do you have in mind?
The tax exemoption is based on charity. A sporting association is not a charity. A church, apart from everything else, is a charity organisation. You, too, can set up a charity organisation. You will have to do some charity work though.

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Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 9:36am
 
Even most of IKEA's profits are tax exempt since INGKA Holding's parent, Stichting Ingka Foundation, is a tax-exempt not-for-profit foundation.
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Reply #10 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 11:53am
 
Cheap cop out boys, you all know that charity is no church's primary goal.
If they wish to set up duly registered and regulated charitable institutions then they can, and those separate institutions can get the benefits of that status, but I am talking about the religious organisations themselves, why should they get ANY special consideration?
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Reply #11 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 12:05pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 11:53am:
Cheap cop out boys, you all know that charity is no church's primary goal.
If they wish to set up duly registered and regulated charitable institutions then they can, and those separate institutions can get the benefits of that status, but I am talking about the religious organisations themselves, why should they get ANY special consideration?



What sort of special consideration are they getting?
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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 12:26pm
 
As an atheist dont care for religion and I agree with mozz about what he has written, but I dont lump Buddhism in with the others, I've found Buddhism to be an honest caring gentle belief, unlike Christianity and Islam which are just hell bent on discrediting the other at every opportunity. and even though I'm an atheist I do try to follow the principles of the basic buddhist belief system.
Most of the christian speeches I hear from particularly American evangelists are just as extreme as the extremist Muslims.
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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm
 
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.
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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:36pm
 
Hlysnan wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 1:08pm:
I don't see how Buddhism is in any way more caring and gentle than the Abrahamic religions. This is only the west's interpretation in popular culture. If you lived in Sri Lanka, perhaps your view would be different. Every major religion and philosophy has its extremists.

So you don't know much about Buddhism hey? or Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka is considered to be the third most religious country in the world, which is interesting as a lot of people like the bible basher goose who used to post here(what was his name?) say its not even a religion.
You'd also have to look at the 7.5% of Muslims and 7.5% of Christians to see where the problem stems from. But the main source of dispute that you would read about is the Tamils, oh yes the Tamils,who are predominatly Hindu, with Hindu making up 16% of the Sri Lankin population.

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