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May 11th, 2010 at 12:29pm
 
Who should lead the UK?
The conservatives got 36% of the vote, but not enough to govern on their own.
On the other hand a Labour/Lib Dems coalition would see over sixty percent of voters choice represented in government.
Gordon Brown has said he'll step down before September, could Nick Clegg from the Lib Dems become PM?
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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2010 at 1:52pm
 
The LibDems can be junior partners only in a coalition. If it's not with the Conservatives, then there will be another election before the year is out. The price the LimDems demand for cooperation is electoral reform.
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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2010 at 1:59pm
 
Soren wrote on May 11th, 2010 at 1:52pm:
The LibDems can be junior partners only in a coalition. If it's not with the Conservatives, then there will be another election before the year is out. The price the LimDems demand for cooperation is electoral reform.


Why do you say a Lib Dem Labour coalition wouldn't last a year?
Labour are the much more natural partner for the Lib Dems why shouldn't they form a coalition?
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2010 at 3:58pm
 
Because the combined Labour (258) and LibDem (57)  seats are still not an overall majority (326).
The Conservatives have 306 seats, other parties 28, still to vote, 1.
Total seats = 650
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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2010 at 4:30pm
 
The only parties I would like to see running the United Kingdom as they all currently stand are the BNP and to a lesser extent UKIP, but I don't think either did very well this time around (though the BNP did increase their share of the votes, but only modestly.) The Tories are mostly all talk. Regardless of what either party says, there'll be more deindustrialization, more third world immigration, more Muslim/African pandemonium, more absurd legislation and more miscellaneous social problems of every possible kind that are only furthering to transform the United Kingdom into a bizarre travesty of what it once was; a nightmarish, blade-runneresque society where ugly architecture and fat, ugly people are watched day in and day out by thousands of creepy surveillance cameras that can be found on every high-street, office-park and business district around the country.
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2010 at 4:37pm
 
Soren wrote on May 11th, 2010 at 3:58pm:
Because the combined Labour (258) and LibDem (57)  seats are still not an overall majority (326).
The Conservatives have 306 seats, other parties 28, still to vote, 1.
Total seats = 650

That doesn't explain why a Labour/Lib Dem coalition would not last a year.
Whoever governs will need to do it in a coalition, Labour and the Lib Dems are much closer in policy than the Conservative party are with the Lib Dems.
As for the Cons having the most votes,  they only got 36% of the vote, a very poor showing considering how on the nose Labour were.
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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2010 at 7:22pm
 
I would like to see a Tory/LibDem coalition. And just because Clegg says that Lib Dems are closer in policy with Labour than the Conservatives doesn't make it true. It was only because he didn't want to alienate his moderate voters. The only real beef they have with the Tories are military spending and integration with the EU. I doubt Clegg, being a market liberal, would mix well with Labour. Of course, the major issue is electoral reform, but we'll have to see what the Tories propose on that first.
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2010 at 7:09am
 
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David Cameron confirmed as new prime minister by the Queen

Conservative leader David Cameron has become the new UK prime minister after the resignation of Gordon Brown.

Mr Cameron, 43, entered 10 Downing Street after travelling to Buckingham Palace to formally accept the Queen's request to form the next government.

He said he aimed to form a "proper and full coalition" with the Lib Dems to provide "strong, stable government".

His party won the most seats in the general election last week, but not an overall majority.

In a speech outside his new Downing Street home, Mr Cameron said he and Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg would "put aside party differences and work hard for the common good and the national interest".

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He paid tribute to outgoing Prime Minister Gordon Brown for his long years of public service and pledged to tackle Britain's "pressing problems" - the deficit, social problems and to "rebuild trust in our political system".
     
Mr Cameron's arrival in Downing Street marks the end of 13 years of Labour rule and sees the first coalition government in the UK in 70 years.

It is also the first Liberal Democrat and Conservative power-sharing deal at Westminster in history.

Mr Cameron is the youngest prime minister since 1812 - six months younger than Tony Blair when he entered Downing Street in 1997 - and the first Old Etonian to hold the office since the early 1960s.

US President Barack Obama was the first foreign leader to congratulate Mr Cameron in a brief telephone call.

Mr Cameron has begun the work of appointing his first cabinet - with George Osborne confirmed as chancellor and William Hague as foreign secretary.

There are expected to be top jobs for Lib Dems in the new coalition, with speculation that their party leader, Nick Clegg, will be the deputy prime minister.

In his speech on the steps of Downing Street, Mr Cameron eschewed the high flown rhetoric or even poetry favoured by some of his predecessors.

Instead he stressed there would be "difficult decisions" but said he wanted to take people through them to reach "better times ahead".

He said he aimed to "help build a more responsible society here in Britain... Those who can should and those who can't, we will always help. I want to make sure that my government always looks after the elderly, the frail, the poorest in our country.

"We must take everyone through with us on some of the difficult decisions we have ahead.

"I came into politics because I love this country, I think it's best days still lie ahead and I believe deeply in public service.

"I think the service our country needs right now is to face up to our big challenges, to confront our problems, take difficult decisions, lead people through those decisions, so that together we can reach better times ahead."

The Conservatives have been in days of negotiations with the Lib Dems - who were also negotiating with Labour - after the UK election resulted in a hung parliament.

Mr Clegg must get the support of a majority of his MPs and his party's ruling body, the federal executive, before he can enter into a coalition.

Earlier the Lib Dems said talks with Labour had failed because "the Labour Party never took seriously the prospects of forming a progressive, reforming government".

A spokesman said key members of the Labour team "gave every impression of wanting the process to fail" and the party had made "no attempt at all" to agree a common approach on issues like schools funding and tax reform.

"Certain key Labour cabinet ministers were determined to undermine any agreement by holding out on policy issues and suggesting that Labour would not deliver on proportional representation and might not marshal the votes to secure even the most modest form of electoral reform," he said.

However, Labour's Lord Mandelson told the BBC they had been "up for" a deal with the Lib Dems, but they had "created so many barriers and obstacles that perhaps they thought their interests lay on the Tory side, on the Conservative side, rather than the progressive side".
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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2010 at 7:10am
 
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After it became clear the talks had failed, Mr Brown tendered his resignation and said he wished the next prime minister well.

In an emotional resignation statement in Downing Street, Mr Brown thanked his staff, his wife Sarah and their children, who joined the couple as they left for Buckingham Palace.

Mr Brown said it had been "a privilege to serve" adding: "I loved the job not for its prestige, its titles and its ceremony - which I do not love at all. No, I loved the job for its potential to make this country I love fairer, more tolerant, more green, more democratic, more prosperous and more just - truly a greater Britain."

He also paid tribute to the courage of the armed forces, adding: "I will never forget all those who have died in honour and whose families today live in grief."

Later he thanked Labour activists and MPs for all their efforts and told them Labour's general election performance was "my fault, and my fault alone".

The Lib Dem and Conservative teams met for hours of negotiations at the Cabinet Office on Tuesday - four days after the UK general election resulted in a hung parliament.

The talks resumed after Lib Dem negotiators met a Labour team, which followed Mr Brown's announcement on Monday that he would step down as Labour leader by September.

But there were signs throughout the afternoon that the two parties - who together would still not command an overall majority in the House of Commons - would not reach a deal.


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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
Regardless of your political leanings, you do have to shake your head in disbelief at the tragi-comic ineptitude of Gordon Brown's handling of his self-inflicted "bigot-gate".

Not content with issuing an apology to the woman then move on with the campaign, Brown, by now obsessed with his own stupidity, insisted on personally apologising to the woman at her home, risking her public rebuke to his face and/or a public "jilting". In the end the outcome was almost as bad... With the press on the doorstep, he apparently spent a full 15 minutes in her house allowing media (and by that, national) conjecture about the goings-on inside to rumble bovver-booted over his political reputation. To cap it off, the woman, Gillian Duffy, half-jilted him by refusing to stand with him outside her home.

The fiasco turned what was already an embarrassing gaffe, from a recoverable slip, into a national frenzy of speculation about Brown's fitness to hold high office.
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2010 at 10:06am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 7:40am:
The fiasco turned what was already an embarrassing gaffe, from a recoverable slip, into a national frenzy of speculation about Brown's fitness to hold high office.


His fitness was questioned when he took over from Blair - whose fitness had been questioed for years before that.
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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2010 at 10:17am
 
Soren wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 10:06am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 7:40am:
The fiasco turned what was already an embarrassing gaffe, from a recoverable slip, into a national frenzy of speculation about Brown's fitness to hold high office.


His fitness was questioned when he took over from Blair - whose fitness had been questioed for years before that.

What of Cameron's fitness? untried,inexperienced and made PM with just 36% of the populations support.
I expect like the rightards here Cameron couldn't wait to get his grubby little hands on no 10 but lets see how well he's travelling in a year from now, he's in a coalition with a party that has entirely different goals and supporters to his own.
This coalition wont last a year, it would be like Labor and the Nationals going into coalition in Australia,it wont work, I expect the conservatives have pizzed in Cleggs pocket and said yea yea we'll do what you want, but we all know how untrustworthy these conservatives are.Not to mention 64% of Britain DID NOT VOTE TORRIE,a recipe for disaster.
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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2010 at 10:34am
 
I like Cameron. He sems to be less conservative than some of his party mates. He's not a fan of the BNP, which is a big plus in my book.
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Reply #13 - May 12th, 2010 at 10:41am
 
Soren wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 10:06am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 7:40am:
The fiasco turned what was already an embarrassing gaffe, from a recoverable slip, into a national frenzy of speculation about Brown's fitness to hold high office.


His fitness was questioned when he took over from Blair - whose fitness had been questioed for years before that.

Yes and those reservations were probably coalesced and magnified by Brown's self-inflicted "bigot-gate".
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Reply #14 - May 12th, 2010 at 12:13pm
 
England 1, Scotland 0

Now that the Scottish tyrants have departed, England should declare its independence from Scotland (and Wales...)
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