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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Famous Muslim women May 21^st, 2010 at 9:33pm Name 10 Muslim women who have made an impact on the world. Apostates like Wafa Sultan or Hirshi Ali do not count. Nor do assassinated ones like Benazir Bhutto. OK, 5. Ok, one other than Miss Amerikkka, Hezballah babe Rima Fakih.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Famous Muslim women Reply #1 - May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:34am Zainab Salbi.
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Reply #2 - May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:20pm

Rebiya Kadeer, Chinese Uighur activist, and once, one of the richest businesspeople in China (now in exile in the US).

Even George W Bush admires her.

But alas, I must be wrong. How could a backward, repressed (and dirt-poor) Muslim woman become one of the richest people in China, and then go on to lead a movement against one of the strongest countries in the world?

Ah - it couldn't happen.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	Re: Famous Muslim women Reply #3 - May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:59pm maybe ......... she did not live in an islamic country ?? same as Zainab Salbi.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95821 Gender:	Re: Famous Muslim women Reply #4 - May 22^nd, 2010 at 11:31pm Right. There do seem to be a lot of rules in this game...
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	Re: Famous Muslim women Reply #5 - May 22^nd, 2010 at 11:40pm yes, the more islamic a country gets, the more repressed and insane it gets too. same as people
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Reply #6 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 10:18am

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:59pm:

maybe ......... she did not live in an islamic country ??

same as Zainab Salbi.

That wasn't part of the criteria, Sprint. So Muslims who do wonderful things when they're living in the West don't count, but Muslims who do bad things do?

Does your hatred of Islam prevent you from even acknowledging that both these women have changed the lives of (at the very least) hundreds of thousands of people?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Famous Muslim women Reply #7 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 5:54pm Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:34am: Zainab Salbi. I said famous. Well-known.
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Reply #8 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:05pm

How many women who come from a population group which come from population groups with average IQs close to probably 85 make an 'impact on the world', exactly?

Men are more or less the dominant sex -- let's not kid ourselves here. There have been many exceptional female achievers, but they have always paled in comparison to exceptional male achievers, and I am willing to go out on a limb and say that this will always be true. There's absolutely no reason women should find this offensive; men and women have different psychological constitutions that gear them, group by group, towards different outcomes in life. Only insecure women find this suggestion offensive.

Throw in low general intelligence and all the rest and it's pretty obvious why you can count 'impactful' Muslim women on a hand and a half.

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Reply #9 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:06pm

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 5:54pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:34am:

Zainab Salbi.

I said famous. Well-known.

And I provided you with an example of one. Just because you don't know her doesn't mean she's not famous and well-known.

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Salbi has been honored by Former President Bill Clinton for her work in Bosnia and Herzegovina, named Time Magazine's “Innovator of the Month” and received Forbes’ Trailblazer Award. Salbi is a World Economic Forum young global leader and is a member of the International Women's Forum and a member at the Council of Foreign Relations. She is also currently serving as a member of WITNESS board of Directors and as member of a UN civil society advisory group formed in the spirit of Security Council Resolution 1325 to advise on greater integration of women in peace and security efforts. She was also recently awarded the 2010 David Rockefeller Bridging Leadership Award for her work in helping women survivors of war rebuild their lives. Her work has been featured in major media outlets, including eight appearances on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” as well as CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times.

Salbi is the author (with Laurie Becklund) of the national best selling book Between Two Worlds: Escape from Tyranny: Growing Up in the Shadow of Saddam, that is an account of life in Iraq and the hold that Saddam Hussein had over her family. She documents the stories of women survivors of wars in her second book The Other Side of War: Women's Stories of Survival and Hope.

She has a master’s degree in Development Studies from the London School of Economics and BA in Sociology and Women's Studies from George Mason University. She is a blogger for Marie Claire Magazine and the Huffington Post

The organisation that she founded has helped over 1/4 of a million female victims of war learn about their rights and a trade to support themselves.

I'd call that changing the world.

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Reply #10 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:10pm

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let's not kid ourselves here. There have been many exceptional female achievers, but they have always paled in comparison to exceptional male achievers, and I am willing to go out on a limb and say that this will always be true.

Don't kid yourself. Women are only just getting started.

Also, your attempt to head off any counterargument from a woman by saying she must be insecure to be offended by blatant sexism is transparent.

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Reply #11 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:20pm

Oh please, Annie. You're so brainwashed by Tabula Rasaism you find the very suggestion -- which is obvious, that men and women have differently constituted brains that function differently from one to the other, offensive. It really is ridiculous to think anybody who may believe so to be motivated by "sexism" -- somehow to believe that men are geared towards different types of behavior which may involve a drive for higher achievement is in anyway suggestive that the holder of that belief thinks that women are therefore, inferior to men, is not only absurd, but offensive. Full stop.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Famous Muslim women Reply #12 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:27pm But maybe not; the man in this video is actually me
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Reply #13 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:28pm

aikmann4 wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:20pm:

Oh please, Annie. You're so brainwashed by Tabula Rasaism you find the very suggestion -- which is obvious, that men and women have differently constituted brains that function differently from one to the other, offensive. It really is ridiculous to think anybody who may believe so to be motivated by "sexism" -- somehow to believe that men are geared towards different types of behavior which may involve a drive for higher achievement is in anyway suggestive that the holder of that belief thinks that women are therefore, inferior to men, is not only absurd, but offensive. Full stop.

The assumption that women are mentally less capable than men in certain areas simply because they're female and therefore 'geared toward different types of behaviour' is sexist.

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Reply #14 - May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:35pm

Who says less mentally capable? Men and women have the same level of general intelligence (though recent research is actually contending this point -- the jury is out on whether or not it's true; wait a few years more for a more conclusive verdict. Though don't worry, the gap propounded is miniscule), but they do have different cognitive profiles, so in a sense, yes, they are differently mentally capable, but overall equally so. Men can't communicate, women can't read maps Wink

That old line actually has a considerable degree of merit, as observed in the variation between the cognitive profiles of men and women.

Capability is not the issue here. It is how both tend and prefer to behave that is.

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