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Reply #255 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 11:57pm
 
Ah yes... the impossible question. How do we as a species reduce our numbers to sustainable levels? Or... How do we as a nation reduce our numbers to sustainable levels? The answer is simple... we can't plan for it because we don't know how. We can only hope that war or nature will kull our numbers for the short term.

If we think nationally, then yes we could create a place that thrives whilst the world continues to over populate and look at us with jealous, vengeful eyes. Looks like a recipe for invasion if you ask me.

Then again, how would we tackle the problem of a shrinking economy that inevitably results from a reducing population? And how would this shrinking population deal with the large numbers of aging peoples in need? You may not know it, but financial and economic theory assumes growth not shrinkage or even sustainability. It is new territory with very little written and certainly nothing theoretical for which good and prosperity are offered.

Maybe we could decide the number of children allowed... maybe a licence of some kind. But how will the multitude of illegal and unregistered births be managed... for there will be many. Should they be denied the benefits of society because they were born illegally? No school. No health care. No job... because they have no documents to prove they exist as a legal human? Should they suffer for what they as the children born illegally had no control over?

It doesn't matter which way you look at this... human rights would be trampled and human suffering magnified.
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Reply #256 - Jun 15th, 2011 at 1:41am
 
we cannot really force someone to have only 1 child or 2. Since anyone wants a happy big family. But we can do something to help that certain family not to struggle because there income is quite a bit short. We can inform and teach them or advice them about the consequences about having a large family. We can also suggest about a child penalty were in a family is allowed for like 1-2 kids and the rest would be paid by taxes or anything that the family can also benefit from the government.
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Reply #257 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 11:00pm
 
Sappho wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 11:57pm:
Ah yes... the impossible question. How do we as a species reduce our numbers to sustainable levels? Or... How do we as a nation reduce our numbers to sustainable levels? The answer is simple... we can't plan for it because we don't know how. We can only hope that war or nature will kull our numbers for the short term.

If we think nationally, then yes we could create a place that thrives whilst the world continues to over populate and look at us with jealous, vengeful eyes. Looks like a recipe for invasion if you ask me.

Then again, how would we tackle the problem of a shrinking economy that inevitably results from a reducing population? And how would this shrinking population deal with the large numbers of aging peoples in need? You may not know it, but financial and economic theory assumes growth not shrinkage or even sustainability. It is new territory with very little written and certainly nothing theoretical for which good and prosperity are offered.

Maybe we could decide the number of children allowed... maybe a licence of some kind. But how will the multitude of illegal and unregistered births be managed... for there will be many. Should they be denied the benefits of society because they were born illegally? No school. No health care. No job... because they have no documents to prove they exist as a legal human? Should they suffer for what they as the children born illegally had no control over?

It doesn't matter which way you look at this... human rights would be trampled and human suffering magnified.


There are certainly many ramifications, to these questions, but both the questions, the ramifications & possible answers, seem to be issues to be dealt with by future generations. That is, IF we beleive the Politicians, Economists & TPTB.

Of course, the reality is that all of these issues and more, are already in play and they are set to change the face of the world, over the next 10-20 years!

In terms of arbitrarily restricting family size, I don't see that as a winner or something that need be pursued. However, I would say that current advantages for having more than 2 children, should be removed, including baby bonuses.

That fact is that the assumptions of never ending growth are wrong and no matter what Politicians & Economists say, the Global Economy will start to shrink, over the next 10-30 years.

We either, all deal with that or that will deal with us! 

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Reply #258 - Jun 22nd, 2011 at 1:50pm
 
The Baby Boom Bust Cycle


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As people have aged , a ‘baby-boomer bulge’ has formed in most developed nations . Check out this ABS population pyramid. It isn’t looking very pyramid like…
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You can play around with the metrics HERE if you’re interested in how things will look in the future. But be careful. The Australian population pyramid begins to take on a very suggestive shape around 2030.

Anyway, as the boomers have grown older, they have had some rather interesting side effects on asset markets. Namely, as this group has gone through its wealth building, investing and liquefying cycle, it has left a trail of destruction. The weight of their money flooding into whichever asset class is popular has created bubbles. Then, when it’s time to leave those asset classes, the bubbles burst spectacularly.

When the boomers were middle aged, the craze was the internet and its infinite possibilities. Brokers piled their clients’ money into tech stocks, heralding the age of computers and virtual companies. The whole thing collapsed in on itself when the tech boom turned out to be a tech bubble. The companies that were funded by the boomers’ hard- won savings turned out to be worth very little, if they even got off the ground. Of course, the whole thing went contagious and stock markets around the world were dragged down too.

People learned from their mistakes and moved on… into housing.

Supposedly much safer than stocks, this asset offered several advantages over imaginary technology companies. ‘Bricks and mortar’, ‘house prices always go up’ and ‘just take out the equity on your house’ became the investment mantras of the day. Governments, keen to secure votes, supported homeownership policies and thereby prices. Each time things looked shaky, the central banks would lower interest rates, directly impacting the asset class of the day – leveraged property. The boom in finance was one pleasant side effect of this for the whipper snappers of the day.

In the countries where policies to support homeownership were most drastic, prices increased the most. From setting up government- sponsored entities to buy mortgages, to creating tax benefits for increased leverage, the politicians came up with it all in an attempt to stay in political favour.

And just when things were looking good, the housing bubble popped. The asset class that investors had been piling into crashed – and continues to crash. Just when the lessons from the tech bubble were considered learned, the same fear, destruction of wealth and chaos ensued. It may seem like Australia and a select few have escaped this fate, but that’s unravelling as we write.

Now that savings have been wiped out a second time, or are in the process of being wiped out, what do all those people looking at retirement do? Most likely, they will go to the most liquid and safe assets they can find. That is, cash and sovereign bonds. As a Daily Reckoning reader, you might recognise that they are setting themselves up for a third disaster. Inflation and sovereign defaults are on the horizon.

There are several aspects to this. First (and most obvious) is supply and demand. The cycle begins with a sudden increase in demand when Boomers discover their new favourite asset class. Because of the weight of money they represent, Boomers inflate an asset bubble with their buying power. But as the boomers moved from asset class to asset class during their lives, they had to sell up each time. Because of the bulge in demographics, the buying pressure wasn’t there to support the asset markets that were being abandoned. The bubble burst each time.

The obvious Australian version of this will be when baby boomers sell the stocks accumulated in their super funds. Who will provide the buying power to prop up prices? The whole system is set to be under severe strain, simply due to supply and demand.

But that is only part of the story. As we alluded to above, politicians and civil servants love to get in on the action too. In the US, this took the form of making the ‘American Dream’ an American reality. What they got was a nightmare. Massive mortgage companies were set up and backed by the government to create artificial demand for mortgages. Banks were required to lend to sub-prime borrowers by legislation. Central banks kept interest rates low. And homebuilders had a field day.

It all ended badly. Homeowners were left without homes, banks with bailouts and taxpayers footed the bill. Those still in the stock market relearned the lessons of the tech bubble.

The Australian experience with a housing bubble is still playing out, but carries many similarities. Negative gearing laws are an example of how politicians got involved.

Without government attempting to create prosperity for its biggest voting block, things would not have swung as wildly from boom to bust in the past two decades. The baby boomers would have retirement savings to fall back on. Instead though, it looks like the perfect storm is forming for a third time.

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Reply #259 - Jun 23rd, 2011 at 9:47pm
 
Population growth goes off the boil


The three-year trend of slowing  population growth from the 2008 peak continued in 2010 as more of us died and net overseas migration dived.

According to the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics demographics survey, Australia pulled up just 22,600 short of the 22-and-a-half million mark on December 31 – just 1.5 per cent more of us than in 2009 and well down on the peak 2.2 per cent expansion in 2008.

Thus while various politicians were jumping on the anti-migration band wagon during last year’s election, we were already stepping back from a brief surge to a more normal growth rate.
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Natural growth (births minus deaths) fell 1.8 per cent to 154,400. The number of births was steady but more of us died (143,500, up 2 per cent), reversing a passing abnormality of the past few surveys which had deaths declining despite our bigger and ageing population. Yes, dodging tax is still easer than that one.

The big swing factor in our population story, though, remains net overseas migration. As the one-off factors in 2009 wash out and the international student industry crumbles, NOM dived by 35 per cent to 171,000.

That figure compares with the “official” migration target of 168,700 for the year, but that target doesn’t include New Zealanders, the humanitarian program (10,750 in 2010-11), the four-year 457 work visas, international students and several minor categories.

The “official” migration program of 185,000 for the new financial year plus 14,750 individuals in the humanitarian program and a possible lift in kiwi migrants indicate the number of departures from Australia is expected to rise strongly if NOM is to remain around present levels.

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The last 65 years has seen a virtually unbroken sequence, in terms of OZ Population growth, emmanating from a massive natural growth, but also in net migration.

That sequence of Population growth is slowing, as the not only Fertility rates will recommence their downward pressure, but death rates primarirly emmanating from an aging Baby Boomer segment is now set to form the basis to start a long period where the death rate will increasingly spiral upward!

This, plus their earlier retirements will also cause a relentless & growing effect, causing Demand for many Products & Services to Decline!


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Reply #260 - Jun 23rd, 2011 at 10:08pm
 
Maybe if wealth would be more equally distributed, the population explosion would slow significantly.

Take Europe; 100 years ago most people had large families, now most countries have negative population growth.
Also the idea of "Populate or perish" should be discouraged.
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Reply #261 - Jun 29th, 2011 at 10:33pm
 
Older Populations Soar as Age Trend Accelerates


The aging of America is hitting home with a vengeance. According to a report by the Brookings Institution based on U.S. Census data, the nation's 45-plus population grew 18 times faster than younger populations from 2000 to 2010. The impact of aging baby boomers and the follow-on "baby bust" generations fueled the disparity, according to William Frey, a demographer at the Washington think tank that wrote the report.

"The specter of a rapidly aging society is now a front-and-center issue for policymakers, politicians, and boomers themselves," the report said. "All are concerned with the future costs of medical care, retirement programs, and a host of public and private services that must be adapted to an older population."

More than half the states (28) actually lost people in the under-45 age group between 2000 and 2010. Frey said that was the finding that surprised him the most, and sets up big challenges for future work-force adequacy and local economic growth.

"From a government and policy standpoint, we're going to need to figure out how to take care of that 'left behind' older population. . . . This is where we really see a clear future of the hollowing out of the labor force."

Between 2000 and 2010, here were the national growth rates of different age groups:

14 and younger: 1.6 percent

15 to 24: 11.3 percent

25 to 34: 2.9 percent

35 to 44: minus 9.0 percent

45 to 54: 19.5 percent

55 to 64: 50.3 percent

65 and older: 15.1 percent


The aging of America, the report notes, is not occurring evenly across the country. Eastern and "rust belt" areas are aging rapidly and also losing their younger populations, creating serious challenges to their economies and tax structures.

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That's the only real growth that's happening, the Demographic growth in the older population and with that growth, comes a decline in every other "Economic Growth"!
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Reply #262 - Jun 30th, 2011 at 5:04pm
 
Population bomb: 9 billion march to WWIII


Bomb? Tick-tick-ticking? Or economic bubble? Population growth is a basic assumption hard-wired in traditional economic theory. Unquestioned. Yes, population is our core economic problem. Not a military problem. But the bigger this economic bubble grows, the more we all sink into denial, the closer the point of no return where bubble becomes bomb, where war is the only alternative.

We’re on suicide watch and yet population control, the world’s No. 1 economic issue in “off the table.” Why? Last year Mother Jones made it abundantly clear why. In “The Last Taboo,” columnist Julia Whitty asked: “What unites the Vatican, lefties, conservatives and scientists in a conspiracy of silence? Population.” That hot-button issue ignites so many powerful reactions. Politicians won’t touch this third rail.

Our denial is a massive “conspiracy of silence.” Yes, we’re all in this global self-destructive conspiracy. Families love making babies. Economists obsess about their population-growth assumption.

Stockholders demand earnings growth. Wall Street is insatiable. The global Super Rich see population growth as opportunities to increase their wealth, widening the wealth gap. We’re all in this rat race together, in a “conspiracy of silence.”

Population is the key economic power driving all economic issues
Yes, you can forget “Peak Oil.” Forget global warming. Forget debt, deficits, defaults. Forget commodities, scarce resource depletion. Forget all other economic, political, military problems. Yes, forget all of them. None of them matter … if our leaders fail to deal with the world’s out-of-control population bomb. Nothing else matters. Nothing.

Still, the silence is defining. We’re trapped in this deafening “conspiracy of silence.” Neutered. Blind to this suicidal path, incapable and unwilling to face the greatest single economic challenge in history. Won’t wake up till it’s too late.

Why? Deep in our hearts we see no acceptable universal solution. So we wait … until this economic bomb stops tick-tick-ticking. Explodes in our faces. Till the wake-up call, a total economic collapse. Till then, the silence is deafening. We stay in denial. Waiting.

The United Nations predicts there will be nine billion or more humans on Earth by 2050. And while demographers want us to believe total population will level off, they’re just guessing.

How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed,” “is not the number of people alone, but their impact on the environment,” the “per-capita impact.” First World citizens “consume 32 times more resources such as fossil fuels, and put out 32 times more waste, than do the inhabitants of the Third World.”

So the race to 2050 rages on: “Low impact people are becoming high-impact people” demanding “First World living standards.” But unfortunately, if all nations in the world consumed resources at the same rate as Americans, we’d need six Earths just to survive. Today.

Pentagon warns of ‘desperate all-out wars for food, water, energy’
What a “conspiracy of silence.” Seems everybody’s on the “economic growth” bandwagon. And with population growth comes chaos, anger, war.

WWIII is no fiction. We’re in the buildup now. During the Bush era, Fortune analyzed a classified Pentagon report predicting that “climate could change radically and fast. That would be the mother of all national security issues.” Population unrest would then create “massive droughts, turning farmland into dust bowls and forests to ashes.” Soon “there is little doubt that something drastic is happening ... as the planet’s carrying capacity shrinks, an ancient pattern reemerges: the eruption of desperate all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies” with “warfare defining human life.”

Forget “Peak Oil.” The real economic force behind “Peak Oil” is “Peak Population.” Fail to defuse the population bomb and experts on sites like LifeAftertheOilCrash.com make clear the inevitable consequences of our denial, silence and inaction: “Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult … it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely respected geologists, physicists, bankers and investors in the world.”

We are at the tipping point: Failing to defuse the population bomb guarantees global economic collapse.

Throughout history, myopic leaders never act … till it’s too late
Will our leaders rise to the occasion? History says no. “One of the disturbing facts of history is that so many civilizations collapse. Fewer still appreciate that many of those civilizations share a sharp curve of decline. Indeed, a society’s demise may begin only a decade or two after it reaches its peak population, wealth and power.” Tick, tick, tick ….

So what is this one common flaw that drives nations to collapse worldwide and over the centuries?

Diamond says leaders “focused only on issues likely to blow up in the next 90 days,” lacking the will “to make bold, courageous, anticipatory decisions.” Their short-term thinking, unfortunately, sets the stage for a rapid “sharp curve of decline.”

The bomb just keeps tick-tick-ticking. Sshh, quiet, you’ll wake the babies.

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Reply #263 - Jun 30th, 2011 at 5:28pm
 
The world’s population growth is really one of our biggest problems


This fall the Earth’s human population will exceed 7 billion. It took modern humans about 200,000 years to reach 1 billion people in 1800. Since 1960, humanity has grown by one billion about every 12 years.

The dramatic growth in human population is a direct result of advances in medicine, sanitation and agriculture that significantly lowered death rates.

This growth is slowing. In the last 60 years, the United Nations estimates that world fertility rates have declined from 4.9 to 2.5 children per woman. Demographers attribute this drop primarily to the use of contraception resulting from the greater freedom, education and affluence of women.

However, the decline in the fertility rate will not stop population growth, because currently so many women – 1.8 billion – are in childbearing years and the death rate continues to decline. The 2010 U.N. medium growth scenario (the most probable outcome) projects that world population will hit 8 billion in 2025, 9 billion in 2043, 10 billion in 2083, and reach equilibrium by 2100 at about 10.2 billion. The high growth scenario is even more sobering: 11 billion by 2055, 15.8 billion by 2100, and still growing.

In the medium variant, the United States (now 310 million) is expected to reach 400 million by 2049. Due to teen pregnancies and higher birth rates of immigrants, the U.S. fertility rate is expected to hover around 2.09, rather than drop as occurred in Europe. In the high variant, the U.S. reaches 400 million by 2036, 500 million by 2061, and 705 million by 2100.


Some suggest that the Earth has plenty of room for more people, since a geographic area such as the state of Texas could hold the entire current world population at the density of the state of New York.

This observation seems absurdly irrelevant. It does nothing to show that a population of 6.8 billion, or the projected 8 billion to 10 billion, can live on Earth without depleting the resources needed to sustain quality of life and destroying much of the planet‘s ecosystems, the creatures that inhabit it, and our ability to experience solitude in nature and wilderness.


The Global Footprint Network, an alliance of scientists formed to assess the capacity of the planet to sustain growth, calculates that the world, and most countries, are running in ecological deficit by consuming faster than replenishment the biocapacity that supports production of crops and other goods.


Rising consumption will significantly compound the impact of population growth since per capita consumption is rising fast in less-developed nations and still rising in developed nations. Technological advances in energy, transportation and food production will doubtless help, but the sheer scale of the problem is unprecedented. Regardless whether we manage to feed and house many billions more, the extent of long term loss of quality of life, land, and habitat will closely track population growth.

What can we do to nudge population toward the U.N. low growth scenario, which tops out for the world at 8 billion in 2045 and for the United States at 357 million in 2050?

We can back politicians who support foreign aid for family planning and development.

We can urge politicians to reform our laws to effectively and justly limit both legal and illegal immigration. The United States allows more than 1 million legal immigrants per year, which is greater than any other county. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates illegal immigration was about 300,000 in 2009.

Finally, we can continue to limit our family size. It is the most effective step a couple can take to reduce their impact.

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You amaze me, by how much effort you put in to make this posts, but maybe if we all would send our posts to our politicians, we would be more effective.
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Reply #265 - Jun 30th, 2011 at 9:49pm
 
hawil wrote on Jun 30th, 2011 at 6:01pm:
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You amaze me, by how much effort you put in to make this posts, but maybe if we all would send our posts to our politicians, we would be more effective.


There is certainly more power in numbers!

However, I suspect that those numbers would need to be very substantial to override the self interest of the Politicians (from both the Labs & Libs) and of their mates involved in TPTB!

So my purpose in being here & elsewhere is to provide sufficient information, to as many as I can reach, so that those numbers will rise up!


That said, we do need to start to push the Pollies & TPTB!  
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Reply #266 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 9:01pm
 
Population issues temper WA economy - Deloitte Access Economics Report


WA'S economic growth will be under intense pressure as a slowing population growth, increased retirement numbers and huge business investment look set to clash, a new report warns.

The quarterly Deloitte Access Economics report, released today, reaffirmed WA as one of the engines – along with Queensland – of the national economy, with almost a quarter of a trillion dollars of investment projects in the state’s pipeline, mainly led by resource operations.

However, the report warns of a volatile period for the state’s economy, as projections for “stellar” economic growth are tempered by a much slower growing population, where migrant numbers have dropped notably since 2009 and baby boomer retirement is about to accelerate sharply.

Deloitte forecasts WA’s total population to grow 2.2 per cent in the 2011 financial year, and for that to dip to 1.9 per cent in 2015-16.

Economic growth is tipped to grow 3.4 per cent in 2010-11 before surging to 6 per cent the following year, and then making its way down to 3.7 per cent in 2015-16.

“So the squeeze on Western Australia’s economy is about to be considerable,” the report says.

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Slowing population growth and increased retirement numbers will certainly impact on WA and OZ nationally, but the truth is there will also be the effects of another Global slowdown to contend with, as well!  
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Reply #267 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 7:56pm
 
I have started a forum dealing with the ageing demographics.
[url]http://agequake.com.au/[/url]

I also have a discussion running on talkfinance.net
[url]http://www.talkfinance.net/f12/demographic-discussion-9325/[/url]
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Reply #268 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 1:21pm
 
21 signs that the new reality for many baby boomers will be to work as wage slaves until they drop dead


All over America tonight, millions of elderly Americans are wondering if their money is going to run out before it is time for them to die. Those that are now past retirement age are not going to be rioting in the streets, but that doesn't mean that large numbers of them are not deeply suffering. There are millions of elderly Americans that are leading lives of "quiet desperation" as they try to get by on meager fixed incomes.

As health care costs soar, millions of elderly Americans find themselves deep in debt and facing huge medical bills that they cannot possibly pay. A lot of older Americans would go back to work if they could, but jobs are scarce and very few companies seem to even want to consider hiring them. Right now caring for all of the Americans that have already retired is turning out to be an overwhelming challenge, and things are about to get a whole lot worse. On January 1st, 2011 the very first Baby Boomers turned 65.  A massive tsunami of retirees is coming, and America is not ready for it.

Sadly, most retirees have not adequately prepared for retirement. For many, the recent economic downturn absolutely devastated their retirement plans. Many were counting on the equity in their homes, but the recent housing crash crushed those dreams. Others had their 401ks shredded by the stock market.

Meanwhile, corporate pension plans all across America are vastly underfunded. Many state and local government pension programs are absolute disasters. The federal government has already begun to pay out significantly more in Social Security benefits than they are taking in, and the years ahead are projected to be downright apocalyptic for the Social Security program.

So needless to say, things do not look good for the Baby Boomers that are now approaching retirement age.

The following are 21 signs that the new reality for many Baby Boomers will be to work as wage slaves until they drop dead....

#1 According to a shocking AARP survey of Baby Boomers that are still in the workforce, 40 percent of them plan to work “until they drop.”

#2 A recent survey of American workers that included all age groups found that 54 percent of them planned to keep working when they retire and 39 percent of them plan to either work past age 70 or never retire at all.

#3 A poll conducted by CESI Debt Solutions found that 56 percent of American retirees still had outstanding debts when they retired.

#4 A recent study by a law professor from the University of Michigan found that Americans that are 55 years of age or older now account for 20 percent of all bankruptcies in the United States.

#5 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent.

#6 Most of the bankruptcies among the elderly are caused by our deeply corrupt health care system. According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the United States. Of those bankruptcies that were caused by medical bills, approximately 75 percent of them involved individuals that actually did have health insurance.

#7 The U.S. government now says that the Medicare trust fund will run dry five years faster than they were projecting just last year.

#8 starting on January 1st, 2011 the Baby Boomers began to hit retirement age. From now on, every single day more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will reach the age of 65. That is going to keep happening every single day for the next 19 years.


#9 Over 30 percent of all U.S. investors currently in their sixties have more than 80 percent of their 401k retirement plans invested in equities. So what happens if the stock market crashes again?

#10 All over the United States predatory lenders are coldly and cruelly foreclosing on elderly homeowners. You can read what one lender is doing to a 70-year-old woman and her terminally ill husband right here.

#11 Medical bills are absolutely devastating large number of elderly Americans right now. Many are going to great lengths to try to pay their bills. An elderly woman that lives in the Salem, Oregon area that is fighting terminal bone cancer tried to raise some money for her medical bills by holding a few garage sales on the weekends. However, a neighbor ratted her out, and so now the police are shutting her garage sales down.

#12 Social Security's disability program has already been pushed to the brink of insolvency and wave after wave of new applications continue to pour in.

#13 Approximately 3 out of every 4 Americans start claiming Social Security benefits the moment they are eligible at age 62. Most are doing this out of necessity. However, by claiming Social Security early they get locked in at a much lower amount than if they would have waited.

#14 According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Social Security system paid out more in benefits than it received in payroll taxes in 2010. That was not supposed to happen until at least 2016.  Sadly, in the years ahead these "Social Security deficits" are scheduled to become absolutely nightmarish as hordes of Baby Boomers retire.



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Re: The Population Debate
Reply #269 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 1:51pm
 
21 signs that the new reality for many baby boomers will be to work as wage slaves until they drop dead (Cont)


#15 In 1950, each retiree's Social Security benefit was paid for by 16 U.S. workers. In 2010, each retiree's Social Security benefit was paid for by approximately 3.3 U.S. workers. By 2025, it is projected that there will be approximately two U.S. workers for each retiree. How in the world can the system possibly continue to function properly with numbers like that?

#16 According to a shocking U.S. government report, soaring interest costs on the U.S. national debt plus rapidly escalating spending on entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare will absorb approximately 92 cents of every single dollar of federal revenue by the year 2019. That is before a single dollar is spent on anything else.

#17 Most states have huge pension liabilities that are woefully underfunded. For example, pension consultant Girard Miller recently told California's Little Hoover Commission that state and local government bodies in the state of California have $325 billion in combined unfunded pension liabilities. When you break that down, it comes to $22,000 for every single working adult in the state of California.

#18 Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Chicago and Joshua D. Rauh of Northwestern's Kellogg School of Management recently calculated the combined pension liability for all 50 U.S. states. What they found was that the 50 states are collectively facing $5.17 trillion in pension obligations, but they only have $1.94 trillion set aside in state pension funds. That is a difference of 3.2 trillion dollars. So where in the world is all of that extra money going to come from? Most of the states are already completely broke and on the verge of bankruptcy.

#19 According to one recent survey, 36 percent of Americans say that they don't contribute anything at all to retirement savings.

#20 According to another recent survey, 24 percent of all U.S. workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age at least once during the past year.

#21 Even though prices for necessities such as food and gas have been exploding, those receiving Social Security benefits have not received a cost of living increase for two year in a row. Many elderly Americans that are living on fixed incomes are being squeezed like they have never been squeezed before.

Today you will find a disturbingly large number of elderly Americans flipping burgers or welcoming people to Wal-Mart. But most of them are not doing it because they are bored with retirement. Rather, most of them are working as wage slaves because that is what they have to do in order to survive.

Sadly, there are a whole lot of companies out there that do not want to hire people that are past a certain age. If you are older than 50, there are a lot of jobs that you should just basically forget about applying for.

As the U.S. economy continues to crumble, the way we treat the elderly is probably going to get even worse.

Right now there is tons of bad news about the economy, and another major economic downturn would put even more pressure on federal, state and local government budgets.

The truth is that there is simply no way that we can keep all of the financial promises that we have made to elderly Americans even if the most optimistic projections for our economy play out.

If the worst happens, we are going to see a lot more elderly Americans eating out of trash cans and freezing to death in their own homes.

The United States is facing a retirement crisis of unprecedented magnitude. A comfortable, happy retirement is rapidly going to become a luxury that only the wealthy will enjoy.

For most of the rest of us, our golden years are going to mean a whole lot of pain and suffering. That may not be pleasant to hear, but that is the truth.

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The Truth is, that the Baby Boomer explosion Peaked in many countries between 1946-1956 and then started to decline, before 1964 was given as the "official" end of the Boomer era.

So, whilst this article refers to 10,000 Boomer retirements per day, that is the average over the full 19 years, whereas in reality the average in the first 10 years is actually higher than 10,000 per day!  


The Truth is, that Pensions & Health Care costs, are set to escalate dramatically over the next 2 decades and along with a decline in demand for many products & services, driven by Boomers who life style has taken a tumble, the outcome is a declining GDP and an increasing Debt to GDP ratio!


Finally, the Truth is that this scenario is not restricted to the USA, it applies to many other countries, including -
Japan
Much of Europe
UK
Korea
Australia
Yes, even China
& many others

In some, the effects will be felt less, whilst in other countries, it will be more pronounced.

So, Good luck & watch the Debt!
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